Ball is accelerating due to gravity

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The discussion revolves around the dynamics of a small ball falling from the surface of a larger sphere, specifically focusing on determining the angle at which the ball leaves the sphere and the velocity at which it strikes the horizontal plane. The problem involves concepts of gravitational acceleration, centripetal acceleration, and energy conservation, and it is approached from both theoretical and mathematical perspectives.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the small ball is accelerating due to gravity and follows a circular path, leading to a discussion of centripetal acceleration as a component of gravitational force.
  • Another participant questions the derivation of the expression \(v^2/R\) for centripetal acceleration, seeking clarification on its application.
  • Concerns are raised about the motion of the larger sphere, with one participant suggesting that it would also move if on a frictionless surface, although this may not affect the problem if considered relative to the larger sphere.
  • A participant outlines the forces acting on the ball while it is on the sphere, indicating that the normal force plus gravitational force equals the mass times acceleration, and describes the conditions at the moment the ball leaves the surface.
  • Another participant presents a derivation using energy conservation to find the velocity of the ball at the point of leaving the sphere, leading to a calculation of the angle \(\theta_f\) at which the ball departs.
  • It is mentioned that an alternative perspective involves analyzing the problem from a rotating frame, where centrifugal force plays a role in the dynamics of the ball's departure.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of the larger sphere's motion and the methods for calculating the angle and velocity. There is no consensus on a single approach or solution, as various methods and interpretations are presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for differential equations to solve for the position of the ball due to the changing acceleration, indicating that certain assumptions and mathematical steps remain unresolved.

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Guys, this is a difficult one for me to solve but I hope that with your help I can get an answer. Please tell me how you arrived to the answer.

The problem:

We let a ball with a mass (m) of extreamely small radius fall from the top of a spheare with a radius (R) which is resting on a horizontal plane. We must supose that there is no friction. Determine the angle at which the ball leaves the surface of the spheare relative to the horizontal line passing through the center point of the spheare. Also calculate the velocity with which it strikes the horizontal plane.
 
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The small ball is accelerating due to gravity, so its speed is growing. Since it follows a circular path, there is a centripetal acceleration.
The centripetal acceleration is the component of the weight of the small sphere in the direction of the radius of the big one.
When the velocity of the sphere is such that v2/R is greater than the centripetal acceleration, it will leave the surface of the big sphere. The small ball continues to accelerate until it hits the horizontal plane.
 
This may seem very naive, but can you explain this in more detail and how do you get to the figure (V^2/R)?? Thank you...
 
Umm, wouldn't the big sphere move also?
 
until the ball leaves the sphere, you have N + mg = ma
however, while it is on the sphere it is undergoing circular motion, hence F = m (v^2)/r

so at the exact moment the ball leaves the sphere, n = 0 and a = v^2/r
mg = m(v^2)/r so you can find the velocity at that moment. then you have to find the angle (or position) at which the ball leaves. since the acceleration is constantly changing, you would need a differential equation to solve for the position, and then the answer. since i don't know that i can't help you anymore, but i hope some one else can.

also, Parth dave you are right, the big sphere will move if it is on a frictionless surface, but that has no effect on the problem if you are considering everything relative to the big ball. if you are taking that into account you must also use the conservation of momentum to find out with what velocity the big ball begins to leave.
 
datatec said:
This may seem very naive, but can you explain this in more detail and how do you get to the figure (V^2/R)?? Thank you...

V2/R is the formula for the centripetal acceleration. Since the small ball follows a circular path with radius R, at each instant it is submitted to that acceleration.
 
Let the angle from the vertical to the position of the little ball be [itex]\theta[/itex]

From energy conservation, you have

[tex]mgR = mgRcos\theta +\frac{1}{2}mv^2[/tex]

[tex]=> v(\theta ) = \sqrt{2gR(1-cos\theta)}[/tex]

The force holding the little ball onto the surface of the sphere is the normal component of its weight. The reaction force is the normal reaction acting radially outward. Since the resultant of these two is a radial force, it is responsible for the circular motion of the ball, which means that it provides the required centripetal acceleration. When the ball just leaves the surface, the normal reaction vanishes. So, the entire centripetal force is provided by the normal component of the weight.

[tex]mgcos\theta - N = mv^2/R[/tex]

So, at take off, where N = 0, we have

[tex]mgcos\theta _f = mv^2/R[/tex]

[tex]=> mgcos\theta _f = 2mg(1-cos\theta _f)<br /> <br /> => 2 = 3cos\theta _f[/tex]

[tex]=> \theta _f = 48.2 ~deg[/tex]

From here, it's a straightforward projectile motion problem to determine the landing point.

Another way of looking at the take off is in the rotating frame, where the centrifugal force cancels the normal component of the ball's weight.
 

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