Power of Water: Why is it so Important?

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The discussion centers on the significance of water as a powerful force on Earth, exploring its role in various contexts such as erosion, destruction, atmospheric phenomena, and its importance for life. Participants seek to clarify what is meant by "powerful force" and examine the implications of water's properties in different scenarios.

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  • One participant questions the definition of "powerful force," suggesting it could refer to erosional, destructive, atmospheric, or life-supporting roles of water.
  • Another participant asserts that water itself is not a force, but rather a medium through which solar and geothermal energy operate.
  • A participant emphasizes the mass and momentum of moving water, arguing that this contributes to its force upon impact with stationary objects.
  • Mathematical calculations are presented to illustrate the energy contained in a tsunami, comparing it to the energy of TNT explosions.
  • One participant argues that while water is not a powerful force in the traditional sense, it is uniquely suited for supporting life due to its physical and chemical properties.
  • There is a suggestion that other substances, like hydrochloric acid, could be more erosive than water, challenging the notion of water's supremacy in erosion.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on whether water is a powerful force. There are competing views on its role and significance, with some emphasizing its physical properties and others questioning its classification as a force.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying assumptions about what constitutes a "powerful force," and there are unresolved definitions regarding the context in which water's power is being evaluated.

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What makes water such a powerful force (if not the most powerful force) on Earth? Or is water a powerful force regardless of atmosphere, planet, etc.?

This may be a stupid question, but I'd really like someone to explain this to me if they can. Its a question that I have no been able to figure out myself.

Any help is greatly appreciated.
 
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Can you please elaborate on what you mean by a powerful force? Are you talking in terms of an erosional force like a river (or glacier), a destructive force like the recent tsunami in Asia, an atmospheric force like its role in storm formation, its ability to support life on this planet, or other things?
 
Water is not a force. The energy of the sun and geothermal energy are the main forces that drive the dynamics of Earth. Water is just the medium by which those sources conduct energy.
 
matthyaouw said:
Can you please elaborate on what you mean by a powerful force? Are you talking in terms of an erosional force like a river (or glacier), a destructive force like the recent tsunami in Asia, an atmospheric force like its role in storm formation, its ability to support life on this planet, or other things?
All of the above really. Sorry I wasn't more specific in my original post.
 
Water has a density of 1000 kg/m3, and then multiply that by 100's or 1000's of m3 - that is a lot of mass. If the mass is moving - that produces a lot of momentum, that when it impacts a non-moving object, produces a lot of force.

Also remember, wind, which has a density of about 1.25 kg/m3 (or 800 times less than water), can exert significant force at high enough velocity.

As for erosion, it is a continuous process. In the case of water or air, suspend solids (sand or soil, pebbles, stones, rocks, boulders in water and dust or sand in air) assist the erosion process.

It's a matter of mass and momentum.
 
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Some quick math:

If a section of the tsunami was an average of 10m high, 300m long, and 1000m wide, that's 3 billion kg of water. At a speed of 10m/s, that's 150 billion joules of energy. A ton of TNT contains about 4 billion joules of energy, so that's ~37 tons of TNT. Put another way, pile pickup-truckloads of TNT every 27 meters along the beach and you have a rough approximation of the energy contained in all that moving water.

One thing to note, when a ton of TNT explodes, the energy goes in all directions (including up). When the wave hits, all the energy goes in the same direction, so its actually even more.
 
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Cod said:
What makes water such a powerful force (if not the most powerful force) on Earth? Or is water a powerful force regardless of atmosphere, planet, etc.?

If the oceans were filled with oil, or alcohol, or mercury, a tsunami would be no less devastating.

As an agent of erosion, water is pretty good because it dissolves many salts, and also because it expands upon freezing. Hydrochloric acid would probably be much more erosive (not to add corrosive) than water.

In short, water is not a powerful force in the way you think it is. This is merely folklore passed on from the ancients.

However, water is beautifully suited to propagating life on earth. It exhibits all three states at ambient temperatures. It is a great solvent for inorganic salts yet perfectly harmless to organic stuff. It has a huge specific heat capacity. It expands on freezing. And it's a colorless liquid, among several other things.
 

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