Einstein's Derivation of e=mc^2: Urgent Help Needed

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of the equation e=mc^2 by Einstein, particularly focusing on its historical context and mathematical development. Participants are seeking clarity on how Einstein arrived at this equation and its implications, especially in relation to the atomic bomb.

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  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests help with a university project on the A-Bomb, specifically asking for insights into how Einstein derived e=mc^2 and any relevant mathematical information.
  • Another participant provides links to resources, including the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy and a translation of Einstein's original 1905 derivation.
  • A participant questions the origin of the equation E^2=m^2c^4+p^2 and its relationship to e=mc^2.
  • There is a clarification about the correct form of the energy-momentum relation, with a distinction made between "relativistic mass" and "proper mass." Some participants engage in defining these terms.
  • Participants discuss the definitions of rest mass and proper mass, with some confirming that rest mass is indeed the same as proper mass and also referred to as "invariant mass."

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the derivation of e=mc^2, as participants are exploring different aspects of the equation and its implications. Multiple viewpoints on the definitions of mass and energy relations are presented, indicating ongoing debate.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various forms of the energy-momentum relation without resolving the differences in terminology and implications. The discussion reflects a mix of historical inquiry and technical clarification, with some mathematical steps remaining unresolved.

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hi,

This has probably been asked and answered a million times before so sorry but here goes. I urgently need help with a Maths University project about the A-Bomb which will include a chapter on Special Relativity and e=mc^2. I have read loads of books but they treat special relativity from a modern view point whereas I need to know how Einstein "figured out" e=mc^2 as it's a projcent on the impact and development of maths. Can anyone explaine how Einstein derived e=mc^2 or recommend and books/websites. Also, does anyone have any useful mathematical info on the development of the A-Bomb that might help?

Thanks :smile:
 
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Where did E^2=m^2c^4+p^2^2 come from?

And why can't users view their own "warnings?"
 
Actually, it's

[tex]E^2 = m_0^2 c^4 + p^2 c^2[/tex]

and it is the same as [tex]E = mc^2[/tex] which uses the "relativisitc mass" whereas the previous expression uses the "proper mass."
 
Ummm, which one is rest mass and which one is not? Rest mass is proper mass? Right?
 
Tide said:
Actually, it's

[tex]E^2 = m_0^2 c^4 + p^2 c^2[/tex]

...and you can derive it by starting with the relativistic equations for energy and momentum:

[tex]E=\frac {m_0 c^2} { \sqrt {1 - \frac {v^2} {c^2}}}[/tex]

[tex]p=\frac {m_0 v} { \sqrt {1 - \frac {v^2} {c^2}}}[/tex]

and combining them so as to eliminate v.

Mk said:
Rest mass is proper mass? Right?

Right. It's also known as "invariant mass".
 
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