Sound Velocity Dependent on Temperature

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The discussion focuses on the relationship between sound velocity and temperature, exploring theoretical models and their implications. Participants also touch upon the temperature dependence of electrical conductivity, comparing different models and approaches.

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  • One participant presents a model of sound velocity in a linear lattice, questioning how the force constant (c) depends on temperature and seeking alternative models.
  • Another participant proposes a relationship for sound velocity based on Young's modulus and density, suggesting that at low temperatures, sound velocity could be approximated as a function of temperature.
  • A different participant shifts the focus to electrical conductivity, referencing the Drude model and questioning how the relaxation time (t) varies with temperature.
  • In response, another participant discusses resistivity as a function of temperature, explaining how it relates to conductivity and the behavior of ions and electrons at different temperatures.
  • Participants note that at low temperatures, the mean free path of electrons is influenced by impurities rather than thermal vibrations, and that semiconductor behavior diverges from the Drude model.

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Participants express various viewpoints on the models for sound velocity and electrical conductivity, with no consensus reached on the best approach or the specifics of the temperature dependence.

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Participants highlight limitations in their models, such as assumptions about atomic spacing and the applicability of the Drude model to different materials. The discussion reveals dependencies on temperature that are not fully resolved.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying thermodynamics, material science, and electrical engineering, particularly in the context of sound propagation and conductivity in various materials.

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How does the velocity of sound depend on the temperarure.
If you set up a simple model of a linear lattice with nearest neighbour
interaction only you get the dispersion relation:

w^2=4c/M * sin^2 (0.5ka)

and v=w/k.
where a is the spacing between atoms, c is the force constant, k the wavevector and M the mass of an atom.
Of these only c dependes on temperature?
How do you model, explain, show how c dependes on temperature?

Maybe you know a better way to show how sound velocity dependes on
temperature.

Thank you.
 
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Okay, in a dispersive medium, you have something like

[tex]c = \sqrt{\frac{E}{\rho}}[/tex]

What follows is my simplistic guess for a crude model.

At low enough temperatures that you do not undergo a phase transformation, E (Young's modulus) decreases almost like the inverse square of the atomic spacing. Also, the density [itex]\rho[/itex] decreases as the inverse cube of the atomic spacing. The atomic spacing is a nearly linear function of temperature, determined by the thermal expansion coefficient, [itex]\alpha[/itex].

So, my guess is that [itex]c_T = A~`c_0~T^{1/2}[/itex] to a first order approximation, at low temperatures.
 
thx for your answer.

I have another question.
How do you with a simple model explain the temperature dependence of the
electrical conductivity.
If you use the Drude model you get for the electrical conductivity

sigma = ne^2t / m

where n is the density of mobile electrons and t is the relaxation time.
t is the time between collisions and must be the only variabel here that depends on temperature. How can you estimate t(T).

Maybe there is a better model that describes the temperature dependence of the electrical conductivity.
 
Practically, one way to deal with temperature and conductivity is through resistivity which is 1/sigma. Resistivity is fairly easy to measure. At room temperature, resistivity is proportional to temperature (rho =constant + A*T) The coefficient, A, is often tabulated and its temperature range of validity is given.
Since rho = m/(n*e^2*t), t is inversely proportional to temperature.

One way to look at this is that at room temperature, the ions vibrate and electrons "collide" with these ions. As the temperature increases, the vibrations increase and more collisions occur and the average time (t) between collisions decreases. So t is inversely proportional to temperature. Likewise, the conductivity declines with temperature for Drude metals.

At extremely low temperatures, the vibrations are so small that the mean free path is dominated by impurities or defects in the material and becomes almost constant with temperature.

Note that all of this applies only to substances that follow the Drude model. For semiconductors, n does depend on temperature (~exp(-1/T)). Thus, for semiconductors conductivity is a rapidly increasing function of temperature. Although collisions still occur, n tends to dominate in semiconductors.
 

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