Calculate acceleration of a vehicle.

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The discussion centers around calculating the acceleration of a vehicle using given parameters such as power, tractive force, and weight. Participants explore the relationships between these variables and the impact of additional factors like downforce and drag on acceleration. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and conceptual clarification related to vehicle dynamics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant, Nazario, seeks assistance in calculating acceleration using power and tractive force, mentioning a need for a formula that includes downforce.
  • Another participant, Daniel, questions whether the provided data is sufficient, noting the necessity of knowing the vehicle's mass to calculate acceleration from force.
  • A third participant expresses uncertainty about how to derive total force from the given tractive force and weight.
  • A different participant suggests that initial acceleration can be determined by the traction force and introduces the formula a=f/m, while also mentioning the complexities introduced by engine torque and drag.
  • Another contribution discusses the relationship between power, force, and acceleration, proposing a quadratic equation to solve for acceleration as a function of time, while also noting that acceleration will decline as power output equals friction force times velocity.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the method for calculating acceleration, with multiple competing views on the necessary parameters and formulas. There is uncertainty regarding the impact of downforce and drag on the calculations.

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Limitations include the lack of clarity on how to incorporate downforce and drag into the acceleration calculations, as well as the dependence on additional assumptions about vehicle dynamics and friction.

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hello,

i need to calculate acceleration of a vehicle. I have power (70 bhp), Tractive force (498N). Can someone help me please. I know i should use dv/dt but i can't remember how to do differential equations.

Also I need the formula to include downforce as I am designing a rear wing. does someone know the formula.

thanks.
Nazario.
 
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nazo said:
hello,

i need to calculate acceleration of a vehicle. I have power (70 bhp), Tractive force (498N). Can someone help me please. I know i should use dv/dt but i can't remember how to do differential equations.

For the first part,are u sure this is all the data??
I men,u have the force,u need the mass.Unfortunately,the engine power will give the product between the tractive force and the velocity.So u can find the velocity.But i can't see a way of finding the acceleration...
:confused:

Daniel.
 
i have the weight 375 kg, i need the force... hmm... i onloy have tractive force. i might need the total force. how do i do that?

thanks.
 
Initial acceleration is always easy: its determined by the traction (since virtually any car is capable of spinning its wheels). a=f/m

After that (basically, after shifting out of first gear), you need the engine torque (or, more useful, torque at the wheel) - convert that to force and apply f=ma again and you can get an acceleration curve.

Downforce does not affect acceleration except in that it creates drag. And adding drag to this question makes it very complicated (and probably not solvable without a wind tunnel). Dynamic forces inside the drive-train (angular acceleration of the components) also complicates things.
 
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nazo said:
I need to calculate acceleration of a vehicle. I have power (70 bhp), Tractive force (498N). Can someone help me please. I know i should use dv/dt but i can't remember how to do differential equations.
The acceleration has to be a function of time because the rate of power loss due to friction is a function of speed (ie. d/dt(P_f) = d/dt (F*s) = F ds/dt = Fv)
So use:
[tex]F*v = P[/tex]

Since the force is: [itex]F = ma + \mu_kmg[/itex] and v = at you have:

[tex]P = Fat = ma^2t + \mu_kmgat[/tex]

You should be able to solve this quadratic equation for a (in terms of t). The acceleration will decline until the power output (Fv) is equal to the friction force * v.

AM
 
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