Astrophysics -What actually is this?

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The discussion centers on the distinctions and relationships between astrophysics and astronomy, exploring whether astrophysics is simply a more mathematical branch of astronomy or if it encompasses broader concepts such as the Big Bang and quantum physics. Participants also touch on the historical evolution of these fields and their current definitions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that astronomy is primarily observational, while astrophysics emphasizes theoretical understanding.
  • Others argue that the distinction is blurred, with many modern astronomers also being considered astrophysicists due to their reliance on physical theories.
  • A participant notes that the terms have evolved, with historical astronomy focusing on cataloging celestial objects, whereas contemporary practice integrates astrophysical theories.
  • There is mention of various subfields within astronomy, such as cosmology and planetary science, indicating that astrophysics is just one aspect of a broader discipline.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the definitions, stating that a definitive answer regarding the distinction may not exist.
  • Another participant reflects on the social perceptions of the terms "astronomer" and "astrophysicist," noting differing reactions from the public.
  • Discussion includes the historical context of astronomy before 1900, highlighting the shift in understanding with the introduction of relativity and quantum mechanics.
  • Some participants question the classification of relativity within classical mechanics, indicating a lack of consensus on this point.
  • A humorous remark is made about the necessity of good mathematical skills for astrophysicists compared to observational skills for astronomers.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the definitions and distinctions between astronomy and astrophysics, with multiple competing views and uncertainties remaining throughout the discussion.

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There are unresolved questions regarding the historical definitions of astronomy and astrophysics, as well as the classification of relativity in relation to classical mechanics. The discussion reflects varying interpretations and assumptions about the fields.

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I was wonderiong what actually this field is, is it Astronomy with more math and physics? Or is it relevant to the Big Bang and Quantum physics?

Just wondering
 
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The distinction between astrophysics and astronomy is sort of a matter of taste. Astronomy was originally more concerned with observation, while astrophysics has its emphasis on theory. Big bang is a phenomenom, where the theory is astrophysics and the observational evidence (cosmic microwave background, etc.) is astronomy. Quantum physics is a branch of physics used by astrophysicists in describing many differenent phenomena, such as how stars shine to supernova events as well as the big bang.
 
I was going to say that just off the top of my head I'd say that astronomy is the science of merely recording celestial observations and cataloging objects, while astrophysics is the study of what those objects are, what they are made of, and how they behave.

I would go further to say that virtually all astronomers today are astrophysicists as well. Even Dr. Margaret Geller who has focused on the study of mapping the large scale structure of the universe is considered to be an astrophysicist rather than just an astronomer. Of course, she is also deeply involved with considering physical explanations of what might have caused the discovered structure to have evolved.

Just for fun I Googled "Astronomy vs. Astrophysics" and found a short article from Penn State that supports my personal take on these definitions.

http://www.pserie.psu.edu/academic/science/degrees/astronomy/astrophysics.htm"

From that ariticle:
Today, everyone who practices astronomy professionally is considered to be an astrophysicist, and typically has an undergraduate background in physics or a related discipline.
So in a sense you could say that today there really isn't any difference between the two words, but historically astronomy was concerned more with just mapping and cataloging observations.

Just for kicks here's a link to a site that talks about Geller's work in mapping the universe. She is a true Astronomer/Astrophysicist. :approve:

[url=" http://www.realtruthmag.org/articles/july-mtu.html]Mapping the Universe[/url]
 
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Astronomy is the all-encompassing term. Astrophysics is one aspect of astronomy. Other categories can include cosmology, planetary science, observational astronomy, etc. etc. And there's overlap among the categories.
 
Good question, and unfortunately I don't think a definitive answer exists. It's funny the difference in reaction I get when I tell people I'm an "astronomer" vs. telling them I'm an "astrophysicist". The latter usually stops the conversation.
 
Pretty much anything physics ends a conversation, unless its another physicist.

Probably before 1900, astronomy was pretty much observation and the theory was confined to classical mechanics. With observation one builds models and confirms theories.

With the advent of relativity, nuclear/particle physics and quantum mechanics, the field of astronomy/astrophysics exploded. Now one could begin to understand stars on a different level. Then new phenomena like quasars were discovered. Then black holes . . . .
 
Astronuc said:
Pretty much anything physics ends a conversation, unless its another physicist.

Probably before 1900, astronomy was pretty much observation and the theory was confined to classical mechanics. With observation one builds models and confirms theories.

With the advent of relativity, nuclear/particle physics and quantum mechanics, the field of astronomy/astrophysics exploded. Now one could begin to understand stars on a different level. Then new phenomena like quasars were discovered. Then black holes . . . .


Isn't relativity part of classical mechanics? :confused:

Sorry if i am too skeptical..
 
Bladibla said:
Isn't relativity part of classical mechanics? :confused:

Sorry if i am too skeptical..

Classical mechanics is Newton's mechanics.

Anyway, they sometimes say you need a good telescope to be a good astronomer and good mathematical skills to be an astrophysicist :wink:
 

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