Stationary Einstein-Vlasov system

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The discussion revolves around the stationary Einstein-Vlasov system, focusing on the mathematical formulation and interpretation of the involved variables and functions. Participants explore the nature of the distribution function and the parameters within the context of general relativity, with some seeking foundational knowledge in the subject.

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  • Post 1 introduces the Einstein-Vlasov system and poses questions about the distribution function and the parameters involved.
  • Post 2 confirms that the distribution function f describes the distribution of particles, relating it to the non-relativistic Vlasov equation and suggesting its application to dark matter and cosmic structures.
  • Post 2 speculates that the parameters μ and λ are related to a spherically symmetric metric, although this is presented as a guess.
  • Post 3 agrees with the previous points, asserting that the Einstein-Vlasov system is a relativistic description of a collisionless gas and reiterates that f is a distribution function. It also suggests that μ and λ are components of the metric.
  • Post 4 expresses gratitude for the responses and seeks recommendations for accessible literature on general relativity and the Einstein-Vlasov system.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the interpretation of f as a distribution function and its relation to the Einstein-Vlasov system. However, there is uncertainty regarding the precise definitions and roles of μ and λ, with some participants offering speculative interpretations without reaching a consensus.

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Participants acknowledge a lack of background in general relativity, which may limit their understanding of the system and its components. There are also references to external resources for further exploration, indicating a need for foundational knowledge.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in the mathematical and conceptual aspects of the Einstein-Vlasov system, particularly those with a focus on general relativity and cosmology.

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The time-independent Einstein-Vlasov system with the ansatz that every static spherically symmetric solution must have the form

[tex] f = \Phi(E,L)[/tex]

is as follows

[tex] <br /> e^{\mu - \lambda} \frac{v}{\sqrt{1 + \abs{v}^2}}\cdot {\partial_xf}-{\sqrt{1 + \abs{v}^2}}e^{\mu - \lambda}\mu_r\frac{x}{r}\cdot {\partial_rf}=0<br /> [/tex]

[tex] <br /> e^{-2 \lambda}(2r \lambda_r -1) + 1 = 8 \pi r^2G_\Phi(r,\mu) [/tex]
[tex] e^{-2 \lambda}(2r \mu_r +1) - 1 = 8 \pi r^2H_\Phi(r,\mu) <br /> [/tex]

where

[tex] <br /> G_\Phi(r,\mu) = \frac{2\pi}{r^2}\int_{1}^{\infty}\int_{0}^{r^2(\epsilon^2-1)} \Phi(e^{\mu(r)\epsilon,L}) \frac{\epsilon}{\sqrt{\epsilon^2-1-L/r^2}}dL<br /> d\epsilon[/tex]
[tex] H_\Phi(r,\mu) = \frac{2\pi}{r^2}\int_{1}^{\infty}\int_{0}^{r^2(\epsilon^2-1)} \Phi(e^{\mu(r)\epsilon,L}) \frac{\epsilon}{\sqrt{\epsilon^2-1-L/r^2}}dL<br /> d\epsilon<br /> [/tex]

I have some very simple questions about this system. I have no background in general relativity.

1. f is a distrubtion function and describes the distribution of the particles(galaxies or clusters of galaxies), right?

2. What is

[tex] \mu, \lambda <br /> [/tex]
and

[tex] \epsilon?<br /> [/tex]

Can you put any restrictions on these variables?
 
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Since your questions still remain unanswered, I will try to answer some, but you should know that my knowledge about this is very limited.

JohanL said:
1. f is a distrubtion function and describes the distribution of the particles(galaxies or clusters of galaxies), right?
The non-relativistic equation (Vlasov equation) is used to model a collissionless gas without interactions between the particles (where the phase-space density is conserved). For example: dark matter before recombination, or, on a different scale, stars and galaxies in the current universe, etc. E. Bertschinger gives a nice explanation of this in chapters 3.2 and 3.3 of http://arxiv.org/astro-ph/9503125 . I assume that the relativistic Einstein-Vlasov equation can be used for the same purpose, but, honestly, I have never seen this before.

JohanL said:
2. What is

[tex] \mu, \lambda [/tex]
These parameters seam to be the ones which are used to define a spherical symmetric metric, when written with exponentials as shown e.g. http://scholar.uwinnipeg.ca/courses/38/4500.6-001/Cosmology/Schwarzschild_Metric2.htm (but this is only a guess).
 
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Google has a number of hits on the Eintstein-Vlassov system, which I'd never head of before either, so I'm fairly sure that it is the relativistic description of a colissionless gas, and that f is indeed a distribution function.

I would also guess that mu and lambda are components of the metric.

I also wanted to give anyone who might know more than I do a chance to answer first.
 
Thank you for your answers! :smile:

the links were helpfull.
I think i need to get some book which explains gen. relativity and this system in a simple way.
If anybody know about such a book please tell me.
 

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