Deriving Even Function Solutions to TISE

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The discussion revolves around deriving solutions to the time-independent Schrödinger equation (TISE) for even functions, specifically exploring how the symmetry of the potential function V(x) affects the solutions. Participants are examining the implications of V(x) being an even function and how this relates to the solutions of the equation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes to show that if V(x) is even, then ψ(-x) is also a solution to the TISE, but struggles with the proof.
  • Another participant suggests making the substitution x → -x in the TISE and using the property V(-x) = V(x) to demonstrate that ψ(-x) satisfies the equation.
  • A later reply emphasizes that the Hamiltonian is parity invariant under the given conditions, implying that they admit a complete set of eigenvectors.
  • There is a mention that the proof needs to show that the energies are nondegenerate, but this point is met with confusion from another participant.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the correct form of the equation to prove, questioning whether to include V(-x) or V(x) in the equation for ψ(-x).
  • Another participant clarifies that the potential is parity invariant, which leads to the conclusion that both forms of the equation are equivalent.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing levels of understanding and clarity regarding the proof. There is no consensus on the best approach to demonstrate the relationship between the even potential and the solutions, as some participants are confused about the necessary steps and the implications of parity invariance.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note typographical errors in earlier posts that may affect the clarity of the proof. Additionally, there are unresolved questions about the nondegeneracy of energies and the specific form of the equations to be proven.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to students and researchers working on quantum mechanics, particularly those studying the properties of solutions to the Schrödinger equation in relation to symmetry and parity.

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Suppose that [tex]\psi (x)[/tex] is some solution to the time-independent Schrödinger equation;

[tex]-\frac{h^2}{2m}\frac{\partial^2\psi(x)}{\partial x} + V(x)\psi(x) = E\psi(x)[/tex].​

I want to show that if the potential V(x) is an even function, then [tex]\psi(-x)[/tex] is also a solution to same equation (same E and V).

I know I'm supposed to combine the facts that [tex]\psi(x)[/tex] is a solution and that V(x) = V(-x), but I can't see how. I've noted that

[tex]\frac{\partial^2\psi(-x)}{\partial x} = \frac{\partial^2\psi(x)}{\partial x}[/tex],​

but that's pretty much it :confused:
 
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Your last formula contains 2 typo's.You may want to repair it,because it's pretty important to the proof itself...

Daniel.
 
Try simply making the substitution [tex]x\to-x[/tex] in the SWE, then using the fact that [tex]V(-x)=V(x)[/tex]. The new form should then show directly that [tex]\psi(-x)[/tex] is a solution as well, since it satisfies the wave equation.
 
Yes,the way it's written and the condition imposed upon the potential energy,then the total Hamiltonian is parity invariant and of course the parity operator and the Hamiltonian commute,ergo they admit a complete set of eigenvectors...End proof... :wink:

Daniel.
 
The proof also needs to show that the energies are nondegenerate.
 
Galileo said:
The proof also needs to show that the energies are nondegenerate.

What?Please,explain...I may be tired and i may not see it...

Daniel.
 
dextercioby said:
What?Please,explain...I may be tired and i may not see it...

Daniel.
Nevermind. I didn't read the actual question. I thought it said 'every solution to the SE is either even or odd'.
 
I've tried the substitution-thing - that was my first approach, I couldn't make it work. I'm too tired now, maybe I'll work it out tomorrow - thanks for your replies.
 
Weird,the way i see it,it's immediate... :rolleyes: Anyway,i see that u didn't noticed.
[tex]\frac{\partial^{2} \psi}{\partial x}[/tex]

is not correct.An essential "2" is missing...

Daniel.
 
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Oh, yea, of course. My problem is that I don't know exactly what to end up with actually. Should I prove this:

[tex]\frac{\partial^2\psi(-x)}{\partial x^2} + V(x)\psi(-x) = E\psi(-x)[/tex]​

or this:

[tex]\frac{\partial^2\psi(-x)}{\partial x^2} + V(-x)\psi(-x) = E\psi(-x)[/tex]​

The essential difference being the minus in the potential function. Maybe it's because I'm tired (I am!), but I can't quite figure out?
 
  • #11
They're equal,because the potential is parity invarint,viz.
[tex]V(x)=V(-x)[/tex]

Daniel.
 
  • #12
Oh, yea, I'm going to lie down now :smile:
 

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