Capacitance of parrallel plates decrease

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of capacitance in parallel plate capacitors, specifically addressing why capacitance decreases as the distance between the plates increases. Participants explore the relationship between voltage, electric field, and charge in this context, seeking a conceptual understanding rather than a mathematical derivation.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that capacitance decreases with increased distance between plates, questioning the underlying reasons for this phenomenon.
  • Another participant suggests that the decrease in electric force between the plates, described by Coulomb's Law, may contribute to the decrease in capacitance as distance increases.
  • A later reply acknowledges uncertainty regarding the relationship between electrostatic force and capacitance, while providing a formula that relates capacitance to charge and distance.
  • One participant clarifies that the voltage increases with distance if the electric field remains constant, and discusses how charge can only enter or leave the plates if a path is available, such as when connected to a battery.
  • This participant also points out that the electric field is constant only if the charge remains constant, leading to different scenarios depending on whether the capacitor is connected to a battery or not.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between electric force, voltage, and capacitance, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on the underlying concepts.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the dependence on the definitions of capacitance and electric field, as well as the conditions under which the capacitor is connected to a battery or isolated.

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Small question: The capacitance of parrallel plates decreases as you increase the distance between them, why?

I know the voltage increases, because the electric field is constant, but how does this stop more charge from entering the plate? I mean our voltage relative to some far-off charge is excessively high and yet this doesn't change our capacitance by much?

Just a conceptual thing. I can do the work, I just need to know WHY it works!
 
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i may be wrong

but, is this simply because the electric force between the two plates is an inverse square law, [tex]F_e = \frac {kq_1q_2}{d^2}[/tex]
where the q's would be the charges of the plates, k being the constant, 9.0e9 and d being the distacne between them. So as the distance increases between the plates the static electric force bewteen them decreases

by the way that is Coulomb's Law

anyways I could have interpreted your question wrong
 
my previous post may have been wrong, I wasn't exactly sure of the relationship between electrostatic force, using Coulomb's law, and Capacitance, however, I was eager to figure it out and googled a site that may help, http://dept.physics.upenn.edu/courses/gladney/phys151/lectures/lecture_feb_03_2003.shtml
they show the relationship of Capacitance and distance as:
[tex]C=\frac{Q}{V}=\frac{Q}{Q_d/e_oA}=\frac{e_o A}{d}[/tex]
 
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Alkatran said:
I know the voltage increases, because the electric field is constant, but how does this stop more charge from entering the plate?
By definition, capacitance is C = Q/V. Normally, charge can only enter or leave the plates if there is an available path. (Like if the capacitor is connected to a battery.)

The electric field is constant only if the charge is constant: If you disconnect the battery before increasing the plate separation. The charge per volt will decrease.

On the other hand, if you keep the battery connected as you increase the separation the charge will change, since the field decreases. The charge per volt will again decrease.
 

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