Understanding the Mass Ratios of Electrons and Neutrons in Atoms

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the mass ratios of electrons and neutrons in atoms, exploring whether there are mathematical or physical reasons for these ratios and the implications of varying these masses while maintaining certain ratios. The inquiry includes considerations of real-world consequences and the significance of the ratios themselves.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the reason behind the electron being approximately 1039.6 times smaller than the mass of a neutron, seeking mathematical or physical explanations and potential consequences of altering these mass ratios.
  • Another participant suggests that the question remains unanswered and references Wilzeck's "Mount Planck" as a relevant resource.
  • A different participant prompts a comparison between the mass of an electron and the masses of up and down quarks, implying that the significance of the mass ratio may vary.
  • One participant shares their motivation for the inquiry, mentioning a colleague who believes they have insights into the mass ratios, expressing skepticism about their claims while seeking broader community input.
  • Another participant provides links to resources for further exploration of amateur approaches to the topic and mentions the importance of current measured values from established sources.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the reasons behind the mass ratios or their implications, indicating that multiple competing views and uncertainties remain in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in understanding the underlying reasons for the mass ratios and the potential implications of varying these values, without resolving these complexities.

godzilla7
Is there any reason why an electron is 1084(I think that's right) times smaller than the mass of a neutron. is there any mathematical or "physical" reason why this works for atoms and if so what would be the consequences of a proton having half that mass but with the same ratio to an electron or indeed having a different ratio? Would there be any real world implications or is the ratio important rather than the masses?

Is this a 'it just is' answer question?
 
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It is an unaswered question. Wilzeck's "Mount Planck" is a good sketch of the issue.
 
Compare the mass of an electron with the masses of up and down quarks and tell me whether the ratio is that "impressive"...

BTW:~1039.6 is the number you were supposed to write...

Daniel.
 
The reason I asked was?

At work I'm talking to a guy who thinks he know's why it is the masses are of that ratio, so I thought I might try and find out if anyone else had any insight, he's a clever guy but he won't tell me his ideas, he's a Dr on a mission, he'll be gratifeid to know that the science community know's not why, not surprisingly; I thought I'd find out if anyone else had approached this problem, I see that they haven't, good I'd love to work with a Nobel prize winner:) just kidding but he thinks he's close to finding the answer, if he is great but I doubt it; thanks for replying to the post anyway,all answers greatfuly recieved
 
godzilla7, please redirect your friend to my wiki page
http://www.physcomments.org/wiki/index.php?title=Bakery:HdV

for info in different amateurish approaches.

The most current measured values are always in the "particle data group" website http://pdg.lbl.gov/
 
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