Introduction to the structure of matter

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The discussion centers around recommendations for textbooks related to the "Introduction to the structure of matter," which includes topics in quantum mechanics such as blackbody radiation, Schrödinger's equation, and statistical mechanics. Participants share their experiences and preferences for various texts suitable for a second-year physics student.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests "Introduction to the Structure of Matter: A Course in Modern Physics" by John J. Brehm and William J. Mullins as a potential textbook, asking for opinions on its value.
  • Another participant recommends "Modern Physics for Scientists and Engineers" by John Taylor, Chris Zafiratos, and Michael A. Dubson, noting that it covers quantum mechanics in a simpler form than traditional texts.
  • A different participant mentions "Introductory Quantum Mechanics" by Richard L. Liboff, indicating it provides a foundational understanding of quantum theory.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the usefulness of Brehm and Mullins, suggesting that Feynman's lectures might be more beneficial, albeit requiring some mathematical background.
  • Concerns are raised about the complexity of J.J. Sakurai and Roger G. Newton's texts, which are described as advanced and requiring significant mathematical knowledge.
  • Another participant notes that Brehm and Mullins is a good introductory book but is "wordy" and lacks mathematical rigor, while also mentioning a similar book by Eisberg that they believe is superior.
  • AP French and Taylor's book is mentioned as a suitable option for introductory quantum mechanics, based on past experience.
  • One participant shares their experience using both Brehm and Mullins and Eisberg and Resnick, stating that while both are wordy, Eisberg and Resnick include perturbation theory, which they find valuable.
  • Another participant reiterates their use of Taylor, Zafiratos, and Dubson's book, emphasizing its suitability for students being introduced to quantum mechanics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of opinions on the recommended textbooks, with no consensus on a single best option. Some favor Brehm and Mullins, while others prefer Eisberg and Resnick or Taylor et al. Disagreement exists regarding the complexity and rigor of various texts.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention varying levels of mathematical prerequisites and the subjective nature of what constitutes a "good" introductory textbook. Some express concerns about the wordiness of certain texts and the lack of mathematical rigor in others.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for second-year physics students seeking textbook recommendations for introductory quantum mechanics and related topics in modern physics.

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Dear friends,

I'm a 2nd year physics student and I've taken a subject called "Introduction to the structure of matter". It's a short of introduction to quantum mechanics(blackbody radiation, Schrödinger's equation, statistical mechanics etc,)

I would like to ask you what textbook you recommend. Our teacher has given us bibliography in Spanish, but I think there are better books in English. I don't want a complicated book such as Cohen-Tannudji (may be next year)

A friend of mine has suggested

<<Introduction to the Structure of Matter: A Course in Modern Physics
John J. Brehm, William J. Mullins>>

Do you think it's a book worth buying.

Thanks for your opinion.
 
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For an introduction to quantum mechanics and other concepts and applications in modern physics,

Modern physics for scientists and engineers by John Taylor, Chris Zafiratos, Michael A. Dubson is the one which I am using right now. QM covers a little less than half the book though.

But the topics in QM covered is mostly the Schrödinger equation in 1-3 dimensions, time-dependent and independent. It may cover all types of the equation but it is in a much simpler form than what QM students usually get. It also talks about other mathematical formalism in QM such as the meaning of the Hamiltonian and momentum, but all of it is done in a much simpler form.

pre-requisites are concepts of classical mechanics and for mathematics, it would be fairly basic caluclus.

For a deeper, yet still introductory level, I am using Introductory Quantum Mechanics by Richard L. Liboff from Cornell university. It first starts of with a chapter regarding classical concepts and mathematical preliminaries then goes of to explain the genesis of Quantum theory (blackbody, photoelectric effects). I have not gone very far in this book so I can't comment.

From what I know in this forum, J.J Sakurai is highly recommended though.
 
Never heard of that book...Introductory QM you say,well you'd better read the third volume of Feynman's lectures on physics...A bit of math would be necessary,some linear algebra,some ODE-s...

As for SM,well there aren't introductory books on that...You either do it;or not...

Daniel.
 
J.J.Sakurai,as Roger G Newton are advanced (graduate texts,if you want to) textbooks...Lots of maths and physics required...

Daniel.

P.S.And Cohen-Tannoudji really sucks...Not reccomended for learning.
 
Feynmanfan said:
Dear friends,

I'm a 2nd year physics student and I've taken a subject called "Introduction to the structure of matter". It's a short of introduction to quantum mechanics(blackbody radiation, Schrödinger's equation, statistical mechanics etc,)

I would like to ask you what textbook you recommend. Our teacher has given us bibliography in Spanish, but I think there are better books in English. I don't want a complicated book such as Cohen-Tannudji (may be next year)

A friend of mine has suggested

<<Introduction to the Structure of Matter: A Course in Modern Physics
John J. Brehm, William J. Mullins>>

Do you think it's a book worth buying.

Thanks for your opinion.

Brehm and Mullins is a good intro book if you do not mind a book being "wordy". Do not expect too much mathematical rigor, which is fine at the level you are at. I think there's a similar book by Eisberg which is also good (I think it's better) than Brehm and Mullins.

Zz.
 
There is a book written by AP French and Taylor which is about this level. I used it about 20 yrs ago in my first course in quantum mechanics.
 
I used Brehm and Mullin when I took my intro QM course, and I used Eisberg and Resnick (along with some lecture notes by Fermi) for a Nuclear Engineering course that I took. I think that both books are good, but both are wordy, as has been mentioned. I still refer to both of them when preparing lecture notes.

In my opinion you can't go wrong with either, but Eisberg and Resnick get the nod from me because they have perturbation theory, while Brehm and Mullin do not. I think that there's no reason whatsoever to skip it at this level.
 
misogynisticfeminist said:
For an introduction to quantum mechanics and other concepts and applications in modern physics,

Modern physics for scientists and engineers by John Taylor, Chris Zafiratos, Michael A. Dubson is the one which I am using right now. QM covers a little less than half the book though.
I am pretty sure they wrote this book for Modern Physics at the University of Colorado at boulder. It is meant for 2 year students being introduced to Schrödinger Equation Relativistic Mechanics. I will have to go look this up in the school store. Dubson is a great teacher. He explains things well, and is good at motivating his students. I would like to see if I can pick out his influence in book. I have the last book in the series written without Dubson. It is ok as an introductory text to these areas. Some of taylors other books are less then ok and not worth buying in my humble opinion.
 

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