What is the value of angle z in triangle ABC if y = 1/3x?

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The discussion revolves around determining the value of angle z in triangle ABC, given that y = 1/3x, with the context of triangle properties and angle relationships. Participants explore various mathematical relationships and substitutions related to the angles in the triangle.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that angle CDB equals 180 - x and derives an equation involving y and angle C/2.
  • Another participant confirms the equation C/2 = 2x/3 but struggles with substitutions to isolate z.
  • Some participants suggest that the problem may require expressing z in terms of x, given the relationship of y to x.
  • One participant emphasizes the isosceles nature of triangle ABC, suggesting that angle A equals angle C, leading to a direct relationship between x and z.
  • Another participant proposes the equation 2z + y = 180 as essential for solving for z in terms of x.
  • A later reply claims to have solved for z, stating z = 80 degrees, and offers to show their work.
  • Another participant expresses interest in seeing the work that leads to the claimed solution of z = 80 degrees.

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Participants express varying degrees of confidence regarding the ability to solve for z, with some suggesting that a solution exists while others remain uncertain about the necessary substitutions. The discussion includes competing approaches and interpretations of the problem.

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Participants note that the problem lacks specific numerical values, which may contribute to the complexity of finding a unique solution for z. The discussion also highlights the dependence on the relationships between the angles and the assumptions made about the triangle's properties.

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In [tex]\bigtriangleup ABC , AB = BC[/tex] and [tex]CD[/tex] bisects angle C.
If [tex]y = \frac{1}{3}x[/tex] then z = ...

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Ok. I've tried to make a bunch of substitutions for each of the angles and I can't seem to solve any for z.

I have found these two equations:

[tex]y + z + c = 180[/tex]

and

[tex]x + z + \frac{c}{2} = 180[/tex]

I know I can make substitutions/variants of these, but I still am stuck.
Any help is appreciated.



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Notice that angle CDB = 180 - x. So:

(180 - x) + y + C/2 = 180 (from the upper triangle).

(180 - x) + x/3 + C/2 = 180

C/2 = 2x/3

Can you proceed from here?
 
I got the same thing. [tex]\frac{c}{2} = \frac{2x}{3}[/tex] but unfortunately I still can't seem to do the right substitution.

Substituting (2x)/3 for c/2 I get the equation:

[tex]x + \frac{2x}{3} + z = 180[/tex]

This still leaves two variables. I just can't see it for some reason.
 
Well, since you had no values in your original problem, I think that your answer will need at least two variables...
 
This is from a published SAT book from College Board, so I think there is a solution.
 
I, too, assumed that you were meant to solve for z in terms of x, since y was given in terms of x. I don't see what else you can do with it...
 
cepheid said:
I, too, assumed that you were meant to solve for z in terms of x, since y was given in terms of x. I don't see what else you can do with it...

no no, see how AB = BC, That's a very important clue. We know triangle ABC is an isoceles triangle with angle A = angle C. You can come up with an equation to relate x directly to z and substitute it back into one of the equations to solve for z.

Angle C = 4/3 x = Angle A = z

you should be able to take it from here.
 
Eh, doesn't 2z + y = 180? So knowing y = x/3 you can solve for z in terms of x.

Plus, if it's the CB's "10 Real SAT's", it has the answers. And any other SAT prep book should have the answers too.
 
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honestrosewater said:
Eh, doesn't 2z + y = 180? So knowing y = x/3 you can solve for z in terms of x.

Plus, if it's the CB's "10 Real SAT's", it has the answers. And any other SAT prep book should have the answers too.

ok, that equation is essential to solve for z. However, an actual value can be determined here. It's not impossible. I solved it and i got z = 80 degrees. Let me know if you want me to show my work.
 
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apchemstudent... 80 degrees is the correct answer. I would be most gracious if you could show your work.

Jameson
 
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Jameson said:
apchemstudent... 80 degrees is the correct answer. I would be most gracious if you could show your work.

Jameson

ok, we set angle BDC = 180 - x, so that we can solve for Angle BCD

BCD + DBC + CDB = 180 degrees
BCD = 180 -1/3 x - 180 + x
BCD = 2/3 x

BCD = 1/2 BCA so BCA = 4/3 x

Again we know that it is an isoceles triangle with angle BCA = BAC
z = 4/3 x

so BAC + ABC + BCA = 180
z + 1/3 x + 4/3 x = 180
3x = 180
x = 60 <---- you could've substituted x in terms of z and solved for z but i find it easier this way.

now z = 4/3 (60) = 80 degrees.
 

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