Equilibrum Concentration Problem

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The discussion revolves around calculating the equilibrium concentration of I2 in a reaction involving hydrogen and iodine gases, specifically the reaction H2(g) + I2(g) = 2HI. Participants are attempting to solve a problem involving equilibrium constants and initial concentrations in a closed system.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant sets up the equilibrium expression as 49.7x10^10 = [2x]^2/[1.4-x][3.5-x] and attempts to solve for x, expressing frustration over the complexity of the calculations.
  • Another participant agrees with the setup of the equilibrium expression but suggests that there may be an error in the first participant's math.
  • A third participant reports using a calculator to solve the equation and finds an unexpectedly large value for x, which leads to issues with division by zero when substituting back into the original expressions.
  • A fourth participant shares a method involving a table to track changes in concentrations, suggesting that H2 limits the reaction and proposing an alternative approach to set up the equilibrium expression that simplifies the calculations by ignoring x due to the large equilibrium constant.

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There is no consensus on the correct method to solve the problem, as participants present different approaches and calculations. Some participants agree on the setup of the equilibrium expression, while others propose alternative methods and express differing views on the necessity of using a quadratic equation.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the calculations, particularly with respect to the large values obtained for x and the implications for the equilibrium concentrations. The discussion highlights the complexity of applying equilibrium concepts in this context.

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H2(g) + I2(g) = 2HI at a temperature T


If 1.40 mol H2 and 3.50 mol I2 are placed in a
1.00 L vessel, what is the equilibrium concentration of I2 in the gaseous mixture?
The equilibrium constant is K = 49.7 x 10 10

HINT You can use the approximation for Large Equilibrium Constants


this problem is giving me such a big headache, i mean i set up the table and it should be

49.7X10^10=[2x]^2/[1.4-x][3.5-x]

and then just use a quadratic fomula to find x, and subtract the number from 3.5, and i keep getting for x= 2.29x10^13, cause it can't be negative

please help
 
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49.7X10^10=[2x]^2/[1.4-x][3.5-x]

this seems correct, there must be something with your math.
 
parwana said:
49.7X10^10=[2x]^2/[1.4-x][3.5-x]

and then just use a quadratic fomula to find x, and subtract the number from 3.5, and i keep getting for x= 2.29x10^13, cause it can't be negative
I entered that into my calculator (equation solver on a TI calculator) and it says the answer is x = 352491.1346 when the denominator in your equation is removed. x is so huge that subtracting it from something like 1.4 rounds to 0 and the calculator gets divide by 0 errors.

If you have a TI calculator, set time aside to learn everything about the equation solver. It will save you an incredible amount of time in the future.
 
do you go to SUNY stony brook? Because I do and that was one of the capa questions for this week, heh.

You have to set up the table:
H2 I2 2HI
1.4 3.5 0
-1.4 -1.4 +2(1.4)
0 2.1 2.8

The first row is the initial, second is the change to completion, third is the moles at completion...since H2 limits this reaction, you have to do your calculations based on the complete consumption of H2 and then you go from completion to equilibrium like so...

H2 I2 2HI
0 2.1 2.8
+x +x -2x
x 2.1+x 2.8-2x

so thos're are your equilibrium equations and then you set up Keq like this:

49.7x10^10 = (2.8-2x)^2/(x)(2.1-x)

since Keq is so large, you can ignore the value of x for now...so then u get this:

49.7x10^10 = (2.8)^2/(x)(2.1)

and then you simply solve for x...no quadratic equation necessary. Then you go back to your equilibrium equation for I2 which is 2.1 - x and you plug in your x value. And guess what, since x is so darn small, chances are if you put in 2.1 for your answer, you'd be right.

Hope that helps.
 

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