Finding Volume of a Bounded Cylinder with Double Integral

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the volume of a region bounded by a cylinder defined by the equation x² + y² = 4 and the planes y + z = 4 and z = 4. Participants explore the use of double integrals to compute this volume, with some confusion regarding the integration limits and the setup of the problem.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the problem and expresses confusion about the integration setup, noting that the cylinder does not have a boundary in the z-direction.
  • Another participant suggests starting with a visual representation and describes the geometric interpretation of the volume, proposing to find the area below z = 4 and double it due to symmetry.
  • A different approach is mentioned involving polar coordinates for the half-circle projection in the xy-plane, but the participant questions the meaning of "16p" and calculates a volume of 16/3 instead.
  • One participant revisits their understanding, questioning the integration variable and suggesting that the integration should be set up to account for the region under z = 4 and above z + y = 4.
  • A later reply confirms the understanding of subtracting the two z-values to find the volume, indicating some agreement on the integration approach.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct setup for the integration and the resulting volume. While one participant arrives at a volume of 16/3, another mentions "16p," leading to uncertainty about the correct answer. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the final volume calculation.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made about the integration bounds and the interpretation of the volume region, particularly concerning the z-dimension and the definitions of the boundaries.

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problem:
find volume bordered by cylinder x^2 + y^2 = 4 and y+z=4 and z=4.
the answer is said to be 16p. but I couldn't find it.
I found it in double integral part.so it must be solved with double integral. I tried with Jacobian tranformation. nut still couldn't solve it. I was confused with what function should be integrated. because the cylinder has no border in z line.
 
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Start, of course, by drawing a picture. I drew the picture using y as horizontal axis, z a vertical axis. The cylinder is just the 2 lines y= 2, y= -2. y+ z= 4 is represented by a line from (-2, 6) to (0,4) to (2,2). Notice that the plane z= 4 cuts that line in half. I interpret the "volume bordered by ..." as meaning the sections both below and above z= 4. Since they are clearly symmetric, just find the area of the section below z= 4 and double.

Projecting the figure down into the xy-plane, we get the portion of the circle x2+ y2= 4 above the x-axis. x ranges from -2 to 2 and, for each x, y ranges from 0 up to √(4- x2). For each (x,y) in that half circle, z ranges from z= 4-y (below) to 4 (above). The volume is given by
[tex]\int_{-2}^2\int_0^{\sqrt{4-x^2}}y dy dx[/tex]

If you've done integrals in polar coordinates, since this is a half circle, you could also do it as
[tex]\int_0^2 \int_0^{\pi} r sin(\theta) r d\theta dr[/tex].

I don't know what "16p" is. What is "p"? I get 16/3 as the volume.
 
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yesterday I had thought it again and I think I have found it. but it's seems diffrent from yours. why does the integration to y? shouldn't it (4-y)? I assumed that the section is under z=4 and above z+y=4 inside x^2+y^2=4.
p=3.14. I will check it again. thanx
oh yes I got it now. you subtract z=4 with z=4-y. am I right? thanx
 
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Yes, that is correct.
 

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