Volumetric estimation of iron(II)ions

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The discussion revolves around the choice of dilute sulfuric acid versus dilute hydrochloric acid as a source of hydrogen ions in the volumetric estimation of iron (II) ions using potassium manganate (VII). It explores the implications of using each acid in the context of electrochemistry and redox reactions.

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  • One participant questions the necessity of using sulfuric acid over hydrochloric acid, suggesting that the redox reaction would proceed similarly with either acid, as long as the acid is strong enough to react with permanganate.
  • Another participant argues that using hydrochloric acid could lead to a positive error in the determination due to the oxidation of Cl- to Cl2 by KMnO4.
  • This participant also notes that Cl- anions may form a yellowish complex with Fe3+, complicating the endpoint determination and potentially altering the redox potential of the Fe2+/Fe3+ system.
  • There is an expression of agreement with the concerns raised about using hydrochloric acid, indicating a shared perspective on the potential issues it may introduce.

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Participants express differing views on the impact of using hydrochloric acid versus sulfuric acid, with some agreeing on the potential complications introduced by hydrochloric acid while others remain unconvinced about the necessity of sulfuric acid. The discussion does not reach a consensus.

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The discussion highlights potential errors and complexities in the redox reaction process, but does not resolve the underlying assumptions about the behavior of the acids involved or the specific conditions required for the reactions.

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Hi ppl, I have an electrochemisry question. Explain why dilute sulphuric acid, rather than dilute hydrochloric acid, is used as a source of hydrogen ions in the volumetric estimation of iron (II) ions with potassium manganate (VII).
 
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I don't think a difference would be present when you substitute sulfuric acid with hydrochloric acid. The redox reaction is as follows:

[tex]5 Fe^{2+} + MnO_4^- + 8 H^+ \rightarrow 5Fe^{3+} + Mn^{2+} + 4 H_2O[/tex]

Here, you can substitute any anion for sulfate, providing that the acid is strong enough to react with permanganate to form water.
 
josephcollins said:
Hi ppl, I have an electrochemisry question. Explain why dilute sulphuric acid, rather than dilute hydrochloric acid, is used as a source of hydrogen ions in the volumetric estimation of iron (II) ions with potassium manganate (VII).

Two things may happen in the presence od hydrochloric acid.

First, [tex]KMnO_4[/tex] is able to oxidize [tex]Cl^-[/tex] to [tex]Cl_2[/tex]. Thus you will get a positive error in your determination result.

Second, [tex]Cl^-[/tex] anions will react with [tex]Fe^{3+}[/tex] anions to produce yellowish complex. This will make determination of end point more difficult and it will change redox potential of [tex]Fe^{2+}/Fe^{3+}[/tex] system. The latter shouldn't be a problem.


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I totally agree with this one. I think I will give away my "guru" title this year to someone deserving it better than me. Great work, Borek! :approve:
 
Nah, keep it, you've contributed a fair amount to the forum; in addition, you're the only chemical researcher we have this forum. Share with us what you've learned so far, enlighten us guru;)
 

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