Completing the Square: Solving Quadratic Equations Made Easy?

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The discussion revolves around solving quadratic equations by completing the square, specifically focusing on the equation 2s² + 5s = 3. Participants are exploring the steps involved in this method and addressing challenges related to handling fractions during the process.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the steps for completing the square, including dividing by the coefficient of x² and rewriting the equation. Questions arise about the correct handling of fractions when squaring half the coefficient of x. Some participants express confusion over specific calculations and seek clarification on the process.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing guidance on the method of completing the square. Some have offered corrections to earlier steps, while others are attempting to apply the method to different equations. There is a recognition of multiple interpretations and approaches being explored.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information they can use or the methods they can apply. There is an ongoing examination of assumptions related to the steps in completing the square.

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Hey

I have a test today and can't figure out how to solve certain quadratic equations.

We are doing solving the equations by completing the square using these steps:

1. divide each side by coefficient of x squared
2. rewrite the equation with the constant on right side
3. complete the square: add the square of one half of the coefficient of x to both sides
4. write the left side as a square and simplify the right side
5. equate the square root of the left side to the principle square root of the right side and its negative.
6. solve the 2 resulting equations.

Heres my problem:

2s squared+5s=3

heres what I am doing

s squared+5/2s=2/3

but when you hald 5/2 and then square it you get a fraction...how are you supposed to factor a number with a fraction in it?

help please!
 
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You don't need to even think about the factorization. The thing added to [itex]x[/itex] in the factorization is always just half the coefficient of [itex]x[/itex] (including a negative sign, if the coefficient of [itex]x[/itex] has one!). You made a little mistake here anyways though, so:

[tex]2s^2 + 5s = 3 \Longrightarrow s^2 + \frac{5}{2}s = \frac{3}{2}[/tex]

[tex]\Longrightarrow s^2 + \frac{5}{2}s + \frac{25}{16} = \frac{3}{2}+\frac{25}{16}[/tex]

[tex]\Longrightarrow \left(s+\frac{5}{4}\right)^2 = \frac{49}{16}[/tex]

you can finish...
 
where did you get the 25/16 from?
 
by the way the answer is x=-3,1/2
 
[itex]25/16[/itex] is half of [itex]5/2[/itex] squared. If you solve from the point I left off, you'll get those answers~
 
5/2 squared is 25/4 how can 25/16 be half of it?

im not trying to say you don't know what your doing lol i just am still totally lost lol
 
Other way. You half it, then square it :smile:
 
for final answer all i get is x=5/4+ square root of 49/16
x=5/4- square root of 49/16
 
nevermind i got it
 
  • #10
Here's a little explanation as to why, since you seem confused:

When you square a binomial, say, [itex]a+b[/itex], you get the following:

[tex](a+b)^2 = (a+b)(a+b) = a^2 + ab + ba + b^2 = a^2 + 2ab + b^2[/tex]

now, what happens if [itex]a = x[/itex]? Well, then this is

[tex]x^2 + 2bx + b^2.[/tex]

since we put no restrictions on [itex]b[/itex], we find that a polynomial

[tex]cx^2 + dx + z^2[/tex]

can be factored into a perfect square if and only if

[tex]z = \left(\frac{d}{2}\right) \Longrightarrow z^2 = \left(\frac{d}{2}\right)^2[/tex]

and that in this case,

[tex]cx^2 + dx + z^2 = (x+z)^2.[/tex]

so for your example, we want to do something to make the left side of

[tex]s^2 + \frac{5}{2}s = \frac{3}{2}[/tex]

into a perfect square. Well, here, on the left side, using the letters from above, [itex]c=1, \ d = 5/ 2, \ z = 0[/itex]. We need [itex]z = (d/2) = 5/4 \Longrightarrow z^2 = (d/2)^2 = (5/4)^2[/itex], so we add

[tex]\left( \frac{5/2}{2} \right)^2 = \left(\frac{5}{4}\right)^2 = \frac{25}{16}[/tex]

to each side, and thus it factors to

[tex](s+z)^2 = \left(s + \frac{5}{4}\right)^2.[/tex]
 
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  • #11
thanks...ok i tried to do the same thing for another of the same type question but got the wrong answer again lol.

3y squared=3y+2

so i did

3y squared-3y=2
y squared-y=2/3
y squared-y-2/4=2/3-2/4
(y-2/4)squared=1/6
y=2/4 +or- square root of 1/6

but the answer is x= 1/6 (3 +or- square root of 33)
 
  • #12
DethRose said:
(...)y squared-y=2/3
y squared-y-2/4=2/3-2/4
(y-2/4)squared=1/6 (...)


No.

[tex](a-b)^{2}=a^{2}-2ab+b^{2}[/tex]

Daniel.
 
  • #13
i tried a different way to do it still no luck


3y squared-3y=2
y squared-y=2/3
y squared-y+1/4=2/3+1/4
y+1/2=square root of 11/12


i still get the wrong answer
 
  • #14
anyone? lol
 
  • #15
Of course

[tex]x^{2}-x+\frac{1}{4}=\left(x-\frac{1}{2}\right)^{2}[/tex]

according to the formula i wrote above...

Daniel.
 
  • #16
ok i changed it to that but i still get the wrong answer

now i get x=1/2 +or- square root of 11/12

the answer is supposed to be 1/6(3+or- square root of 33)
 
  • #17
I little algebra may show you that the two (apparently different) real numbers are one & the same...

Daniel.
 
  • #18
Your answer is correct. It's the same as theirs in a different form.

[tex]\frac{1}{2} \pm \sqrt{\frac{11}{12}} = \frac{1}{2} \pm \frac{\sqrt{11}}{2\sqrt{3}}[/tex]

[tex]= \frac{1}{3}\left(\frac{3}{2} \pm \frac{3}{2}\frac{\sqrt{11}}{\sqrt{3}}\right) = \frac{1}{6}\left(3 \pm \frac{3\sqrt{11}}{\sqrt{3}}\right)[/tex]

[tex]= \frac{1}{6}\left( 3 \pm \sqrt{3}\sqrt{11}\right) = \frac{1}{6}\left(3 \pm \sqrt{33}\right)[/tex]
 
  • #19
i see it now...thanks data you were a huge help
 

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