Solving for Maximum Speed of Ball in a Pendulum Swing

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The problem involves a 5 kg ball attached to a 10 m string, which is swung horizontally outward 90 degrees from its equilibrium position. The context is within the subject area of mechanics, specifically focusing on pendulum motion and energy conservation principles.

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the maximum speed of the ball using angular velocity and radius, but expresses confusion over their results. Some participants suggest using conservation of energy as a more effective approach. Questions arise regarding the distinction between angular velocity and angular frequency, with references to the complexities of the pendulum's motion.

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The discussion is active, with participants exploring different methods to approach the problem. Guidance has been offered regarding the use of conservation of energy, and there is an ongoing clarification of terms related to angular motion. Multiple interpretations of the equations and concepts are being examined without a clear consensus on the best approach.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of pendulum motion, including the implications of using different equations and the assumptions inherent in those equations. There is a noted distinction between angular velocity and angular frequency, which is central to the discussion.

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A 5 kg ball hangs from a 10 m strong. The ball is swung horizontally outward 90 degrees from its equilibrium position. Assuming the system behaves as a simple pendulum, find the maximum speed of the ball during its swing.


what would I have to do to figure this problem out?

[tex]\omega = \sqrt{\frac{g}{l}}[/tex]
[tex]\omega = \sqrt{\frac{9.8}{10}}[/tex]
[tex]\omega=0.99rad/s[/tex]

[tex]\omega r =v[/tex]
[tex]0.99rad/s* 10m =v[/tex]
[tex]v=9.9m/s[/tex]

I'm not getting the answer of 14, what am I doing wrong?
 
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HINT:Use the law of conservation of total mechanical energy.

Daniel.
 
yes conservation of energy is always better than mechanics when it comes to fussy math equations. Think of the change in gravitation potential energy.
 
And BTW,[itex]v=\omega R[/itex] could work in this case if u knew the maximum angular velocity...

Daniel.
 
okay, i used [tex]gh=.5v^2[/tex] and got the answer I was looking for

As for [tex]v=\omega R[/tex], isn't that what [tex]\omega=\sqrt{\frac{g}{l}}[/tex] is? what is omega in that previous equation if it isn't angular velocity?
 
Nope,angular velocity is a very complicated function (something involving elliptic functions "cn" and "dn"),because the linear approximation [itex]\sin \vartheta\simeq \vartheta[/itex] would not be correct...

Daniel.
 
I read in the book that omega in [tex]\omega=\sqrt{\frac{g}{l}}[/tex] is angular frequency. How is that different from angular velocity?
 
Angular velocity is

[tex]\omega (t)=:\frac{d\vartheta (t)}{dt}[/tex]

and angular frequency is

[tex]\omega =:\frac{2\pi}{T}[/tex]

These 2 #-s (denoted the same ) are equal only for a uniform circular motion .The bob from a mathematical pendulum (not even in the linear approximation) doesn't have a uniform circular motion,ergo the two "animals" are different.


Daniel.
 

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