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Chiara
Oct15-03, 12:37 PM
You have a puley on which a light string passes. At one end ofthe string a mass of 5 Kg is attached and on the other end another pulley of mass 1 Kg is attached. A second light string passes over this second pulley. At the extremities of this string two masses of 2 and 1 Kg are attached. Calculate the accelerations of the masses and the tension in the two strings.

I attempted this problem, solving a system of 4 equations:
pulley: 1(9.8)-(T1-T2)= a
5Kg mass: 5(9.8)-T1=-5a
1Kg mass: 1(9.8)-T2=-(f-a)
2Kg mass: 2(9.8)-T2=(f+a) where a=acceleration of 5 Kg mass
F=acceleration of the 1 and 2 Kg masses relative to the second pulley
T1= tension in the first string
T2 Tension in the second string
Where is my mistake?

arcnets
Oct15-03, 02:05 PM
Why do you think you made a mistake?

Chiara
Oct15-03, 03:14 PM
because i don't get the same reult given in the Book

gnome
Oct15-03, 04:32 PM
Here's a similar problem solved last week.

http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?threadid=6670

Chiara
Oct16-03, 05:27 AM
Thank you gnome, but in my problem the second pulley has a mass of 1 Kg.this should complicate the problem . . . I think

arcnets
Oct16-03, 03:29 PM
Chiara,
from what you wrote, I think I can deduce the following:
You assume a to be positive if 5kg mass goes up.
You assume f to be positive if 1kg mass goes up.
Right?

OK, if so, I have the following changes (let g = 9.8):
pulley: 1g -(T1 - 2T2) = a
I inserted the factor 2 because each of the two branches of the string exerts a downward force of T2 on the pulley.
5kg mass: 5g - T1 = -5a (as you said.)
1kg mass: 1g - T2 = -(f-a) (as you said).
2kg mass: 2g - T2 = 2(f+a)
I inserted the factor 2 because of Newton's law F = ma, so we must have the mass on the RHS.

Is this in better accordance with the book?

arcnets
Oct17-03, 11:07 AM
I get a=-2/13 g, f=+5/13 g. Is that correct?

Chiara
Oct18-03, 11:04 AM
yes your answers are correct, Thank you!