Solving a System of Equations for Pulley Accelerations and Tensions

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The problem involves analyzing a system of pulleys and masses to determine the accelerations of the masses and the tensions in the strings. It is situated within the context of classical mechanics, specifically focusing on dynamics and forces acting on objects connected by strings and pulleys.

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  • The original poster attempts to set up a system of equations based on the forces acting on the masses and pulleys. Some participants question the assumptions made regarding the direction of acceleration and the forces involved. Others suggest modifications to the equations to account for the mass of the second pulley and the effects of the tensions in the strings.

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The discussion has evolved with participants providing insights into the setup of the equations and clarifying assumptions about the direction of forces. There is acknowledgment of a potential mistake in the original equations, and adjustments have been proposed to align with the expected results from a reference source. However, there is no explicit consensus on the final correctness of the approach or results.

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Participants note that the problem's complexity is increased due to the mass of the second pulley, which may affect the calculations and assumptions made. There is also mention of a reference problem that may provide context but does not resolve the current issue directly.

Chiara
You have a puley on which a light string passes. At one end ofthe string a mass of 5 Kg is attached and on the other end another pulley of mass 1 Kg is attached. A second light string passes over this second pulley. At the extremities of this string two masses of 2 and 1 Kg are attached. Calculate the accelerations of the masses and the tension in the two strings.

I attempted this problem, solving a system of 4 equations:
pulley: 1(9.8)-(T1-T2)= a
5Kg mass: 5(9.8)-T1=-5a
1Kg mass: 1(9.8)-T2=-(f-a)
2Kg mass: 2(9.8)-T2=(f+a) where a=acceleration of 5 Kg mass
F=acceleration of the 1 and 2 Kg masses relative to the second pulley
T1= tension in the first string
T2 Tension in the second string
Where is my mistake?
 
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Why do you think you made a mistake?
 
because i don't get the same reult given in the Book
 
Thank you gnome, but in my problem the second pulley has a mass of 1 Kg.this should complicate the problem . . . I think
 
Chiara,
from what you wrote, I think I can deduce the following:
You assume a to be positive if 5kg mass goes up.
You assume f to be positive if 1kg mass goes up.
Right?

OK, if so, I have the following changes (let g = 9.8):
pulley: 1g -(T1 - 2T2) = a
I inserted the factor 2 because each of the two branches of the string exerts a downward force of T2 on the pulley.
5kg mass: 5g - T1 = -5a (as you said.)
1kg mass: 1g - T2 = -(f-a) (as you said).
2kg mass: 2g - T2 = 2(f+a)
I inserted the factor 2 because of Newton's law F = ma, so we must have the mass on the RHS.

Is this in better accordance with the book?
 
I get a=-2/13 g, f=+5/13 g. Is that correct?
 
yes your answers are correct, Thank you!
 

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