Converting Joules to Quanta: Assistance Needed

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The discussion revolves around converting energy measured in Joules to the number of photons (quanta) emitted by a radio station operating at a power of 200 KW and a frequency of 103.7 MHz. Participants explore the relationship between energy and photons using the equation E=hv.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the equation E=hv, questioning whether it represents the total energy of all photons or the energy of a single photon. There is also inquiry about the relevance of the speed of light in this context.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on using Planck's constant and the relationship between energy and the number of photons. There is an ongoing exploration of the expected magnitude of the number of photons produced per second, with some expressing surprise at the large values obtained.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem involves converting a significant amount of energy (200 KW) into a corresponding number of photons, raising questions about the assumptions made in the calculations.

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Hey I am in need of some assistance. In a problem I need to transfer Joules to quanta but am unsure on how to do it. A radio station is going at 200 KW with a frequency of 103.7 MhZ. So 200,000 Joules a second need to be converted to quanta. Thanks in advance!
 
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Jacob87411 said:
Hey I am in need of some assistance. In a problem I need to transfer Joules to quanta but am unsure on how to do it. A radio station is going at 200 KW with a frequency of 103.7 MhZ. So 200,000 Joules a second need to be converted to quanta. Thanks in advance!
You want to find the number of photons (radio frequency ones) emitted per second.

Start with [tex]E_{photon} = h\nu[/tex]

The total energy in one second is equal to the sum of the energies of all the photons emitted in one second. I think you can work the rest out.

AM
 
Is the E=hv the sum of the energy for all the photons?
 
Jacob87411 said:
Is the E=hv the sum of the energy for all the photons?
No. This equation will give you the energy that is released in one photon.

The Bob (2004 ©)
 
Ah and then the total energy has to be equal to the 200 KW..but what is the speed on the photon? C?
 
Jacob87411 said:
Ah and then the total energy has to be equal to the 200 KW..but what is the speed on the photon? C?
You do not need the speed. You need Planck's Constant.

The Bob (2004 ©)
 
E=HV, yeah nevermind, meant F..thanks this one makes sense now
 
Jacob87411 said:
E=HV, yeah nevermind, meant F..thanks this one makes sense now
So how many photons are produced in one second?

AM
 
Andrew Mason said:
So how many photons are produced in one second?
Personally I get a rather large number (which is too be expected) but should it be this (2.9 x 1030 photons)[/color] big?

The Bob (2004 ©)
 
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I got a huge number as well..It is large but I expected it to be of such size
 
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Jacob87411 said:
I got a huge number as well..It is large but I expected it to be of such size
Was it the same as my number?

The Bob (2004 ©)
 
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You didnt give a number :)
 
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Jacob87411 said:
You didnt give a number :)
It was in white.

The Bob (2004 ©)
 
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The Bob said:
Personally I get a rather large number (which is too be expected) but should it be this (2.9 x 1030 photons)[/color] big?
It is that big. At 1000 km, the intensity would be about 2 x 10^17 photons/m^2 per second. And that is just a measly radio antenna. You can see why a quasar can still provide detectable radio signals on Earth despite being billions of light years away.

AM
 
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Andrew Mason said:
It is that big. At 1000 km, the intensity would be about 2 x 10^17 photons/m^2 per second. And that is just a measly radio antenna. You can see why a quasar can still provide detectable radio signals on Earth despite being billions of light years away.
You can. So much for telescopes that can detect a few photons of light, use radar discs. :smile:

The Bob (2004 ©)
 

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