Would the energy be in if you used grams for mass and km/sec for c?

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The discussion revolves around the implications of using different units for mass and speed in the context of energy calculations, specifically using grams for mass and kilometers per second for the speed of light. Participants explore how these unit choices affect the resulting energy units and the practical implications of energy derived from mass.

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  • One participant inquires about the energy unit resulting from using grams for mass and kilometers per second for the speed of light.
  • Another participant suggests that using kilograms, meters, and seconds yields joules, while kilometers would yield kilojoules, but the conversion factors cancel when using grams and kilometers.
  • A different participant points out the relationship of the Joule to mass and speed, referencing the formula E = mc².
  • One participant estimates that if 1 gram of mass energy were converted with 100% efficiency, it could power a 100-Watt light bulb for an extended period.
  • There is a contention regarding the implications of the square term in the energy equation when using kilometers instead of meters.
  • Some participants question the necessity of changing units and suggest converting kilometers to meters instead, citing the original formulation of the equation in the gram-centimeter-second system.
  • Another participant clarifies that the equation was not formulated in terms of specific units, but rather that certain units were used historically by Einstein.

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Participants express differing views on the appropriateness of using kilometers instead of meters and the implications of unit conversions on energy calculations. There is no consensus on the best approach or the implications of these unit choices.

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Some participants highlight the importance of understanding unit conversions and their effects on calculations, while others emphasize historical context regarding the formulation of the energy equation.

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What unit would the energy be in if you used grams for mass and km/sec for c?

And how many lights or something would 1 gram of the energy fuel (for comparision).

Thanks
 
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for kilograms, meters, and seconds, you would get joules. if you use kilometers instead of meters you would be getting kJ, since a kilometer is 1000m. If you use kilometers and grams, you would (I believe) be getting joules, since the "1000" conversion facor for meters -> kilometers and kilograms -> grams cancels.

Your second question can be answered by plugging in the mass in kilograms.
 
Look at the Joule, the standard unit of energy and see how your units relate.

[tex]Joule = \frac{m^2*kg}{s^2}[/tex]
 
Someone502 said:
And how many lights or something would 1 gram of the energy fuel (for comparision).

It depends on how long you want to fuel them for. Lights require a certain amount of energy per second (in mks units, that's "watts") to stay alight. If 1 gram of mass energy were converted with 100% efficiency to power the light, then it could keep a 100-Watt light bulb going for 30,000 years (or 300 for 100 years)!
 
whozum said:
for kilograms, meters, and seconds, you would get joules. if you use kilometers instead of meters you would be getting kJ,

megaJoules

since a kilometer is 1000m. If you use kilometers and grams, you would (I believe) be getting joules, since the "1000" conversion facor for meters -> kilometers and kilograms -> grams cancels.

not quite. there is a square term in [tex]E = m c^2[/tex] for the kilometers that isn't there for kilograms or for Joules.

r b-j
 
Someone502 said:
What unit would the energy be in if you used grams for mass and km/sec for c?
Why change it? The equation was formulated in the gram/centimetre/second system. Just convert your kilometres to metres first.
 
Danger said:
Why change it?
The questioner appears to be asking for the purpose of understanding what happens when certain things are done. In this case it pertains to units.
The equation was formulated in the gram/centimetre/second system. Just convert your kilometres to metres first.
The equation was not formulated in terms of any units whatsoever.

Pete
 
pmb_phy said:
The questioner appears to be asking for the purpose of understanding what happens when certain things are done. In this case it pertains to units.
Sorry; I misunderstood the question.

pmb_phy said:
The equation was not formulated in terms of any units whatsoever.
Perhaps a poor choice of words on my part; when Einstein first used it, those were the units that he employed. You couldn't arbitrarily change it to energy in dynes, mass in metric tonnes, and speed in rods per hour and still get a reasonable result.
 

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