Cross Product in R^n: Defined or Undefined?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the definition and applicability of the cross product in different dimensions, particularly in R^n. Participants explore whether the cross product can be generalized beyond R^3 and discuss related mathematical concepts.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the cross product is only defined in R^3 and does not generalize well to other dimensions, particularly for binary operations.
  • One participant mentions that an analogous product exists in R^7, constructed using octonions, suggesting some dimensional exceptions.
  • Another participant raises a question about showing the equivalence of algebraic and geometric definitions of the cross product, indicating a focus on proving properties like distributivity.
  • Participants discuss the challenges of proving the distributive property of the cross product, with some expressing that it is a difficult problem but feasible.
  • A participant introduces the concept of the cross product as a Hodge dual of a wedge product, suggesting a broader mathematical context for generalization.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the definition and applicability of the cross product in dimensions other than R^3, with some proposing alternative views and generalizations while others maintain that it is strictly limited to R^3.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes unresolved questions about the definitions and properties of the cross product, particularly regarding its generalization to higher dimensions and the proof of its distributive property.

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Simple question: is the cross product defined in R^n ? In my linear algebra textbook, they talk about the dot product in length but don't even mention the cross product.
 
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No, in general it is not (and cannot be) defined for [itex]\mathbb{R}^n[/itex]. An analogous product does exist in [itex]\mathbb{R}^7[/itex], though, constructed using the multiplication table for octonions.
 
No the cross product is only defined in R^3.

It's definition doesn't lend itself well to generalizations other spaces of different dimenion (especially if you want a binary operation). Of course thta's not to say that generalizations are impossible.
[tex]a\times b = \left|\begin{array}{ccc}\hat{x}&\hat{y}&\hat{z}\\a_x&a_y&a_z\\b_x&b_y&b_z\end{array}\right|[/tex]

Which matrix would you take the determinant of when n is not equal to 3?
 
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What is the easiest route to showing the equivalence of the algebraic and geometric definitions of the cross product?
 
That's a fairly difficult problem in general. Usually they start with the geometric definition, then show that the cross-product is distributive: A X (B+C)=(A X B)+(A X C)
Then you can derive the algebraic definition by writing the vectors out in components and use distributivity. Proving distributivity is not very easy, but certainly doable.
 
The name "cross product" refers to the simple Euclidean 3D case.But since this "cross product" is nothing but a Hodge dual of a wedge product between two 1-forms,going to p-forms on arbitrary manifolds gives you the desired generalization...



Daniel.
 
Galileo said:
That's a fairly difficult problem in general. Usually they start with the geometric definition, then show that the cross-product is distributive: A X (B+C)=(A X B)+(A X C)
Then you can derive the algebraic definition by writing the vectors out in components and use distributivity. Proving distributivity is not very easy, but certainly doable.
That's exactly what I was trying. And I think I'm on the right track to proving distributivity. :cool:
 
quasar987 said:
That's exactly what I was trying. And I think I'm on the right track to proving distributivity. :cool:
Good luck :biggrin:
 

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