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The discussion revolves around the concept of vacuum expectation values in quantum field theory, particularly focusing on the interpretation of <0|A_{mu}|0> in the context of gauge symmetry and electromagnetic fields. Participants explore theoretical implications and mathematical representations, including the ground state of harmonic oscillators and the nature of transition probability amplitudes.

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  • One participant expresses difficulty in understanding the vacuum expectation <0|A_{mu}|0> and its interpretation as the strength of an electromagnetic field at vacuum.
  • Another participant suggests calculating the ground state of a harmonic oscillator to illustrate that the expectation value is not zero.
  • A follow-up clarifies that the discussion is not about zero-point energy but rather the measurement implications of and .
  • One participant notes that transition probability amplitudes are complex numbers and cannot be measured directly, only their square modulus can be interpreted.
  • A later reply discusses the perturbative aspect of quantization around equilibrium values, emphasizing that in spontaneous symmetry breaking, the equilibrium value is not zero, leading to a different interpretation of vacuum expectation values.

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Participants express differing views on the interpretation of vacuum expectation values and their measurement implications. There is no consensus on a definitive explanation, and multiple perspectives on the topic remain present.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the nature of vacuum states and the mathematical representation of fields, which may not be universally agreed upon. The implications of spontaneous symmetry breaking and its effects on vacuum expectation values are also highlighted but not resolved.

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Hello,
I have difficulty understanding the vacuum expectation:
consider <0|A_{mu}|0>, we can understand it as the
possibility ampitude of a photon turn into vacuum(although 0 in common),
but in the spontaneous of gauge symmetry, we should understand
<0|A_{mu}|0> as the strength of a electromagnetic field at vacuum.
How can I arrive at this explanation?
 
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Calculate the ground state of a harmonic oscillator and yu will see it isn't zero.
 
Kruger said:
Calculate the ground state of a harmonic oscillator and yu will see it isn't zero.

But what I mean is not the zero-point energy, but the field strength itself,
for example, in electromagnetism the <state|A_{\mu}(x)|state>, does it mean the A value measured? or <state|E_{i}(x)|state>, does it mean the E value measured?
 
Generally speaking,those mathematical objects (called "transition probability amplitudes") are complex numbers,so they can't be measured in any way...Maybe their square modulus...:rolleyes:

Daniel.
 
wangyi said:
Hello,
I have difficulty understanding the vacuum expectation:
consider <0|A_{mu}|0>, we can understand it as the
possibility ampitude of a photon turn into vacuum(although 0 in common),

That's the perturbative part: the quantisation of the small field excursions around their equilibrium value (which in QED, is taken to be the zero field).

but in the spontaneous of gauge symmetry, we should understand
<0|A_{mu}|0> as the strength of a electromagnetic field at vacuum.
How can I arrive at this explanation?

Well, in spontaneous symmetry breaking, the equilibrium value of the field is not zero. So the quantum particles (perturbatively) are the excursions around THAT equilibrium value ; the vacuum expectation value will then just give you both contributions: the equilibrium field value + plus the 1-quantum-to-zero-quantum transition amplitude. But as that last one is 0, you just get the equilibrium field value.

cheers,
Patrick.
 

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