What is the equilibrium temperature of a system containing ice and steam?

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The problem involves determining the equilibrium temperature of a system containing ice and steam, specifically an insulated bucket with 150 g of ice at 0°C and 26 g of steam at 100°C. Participants are exploring the heat transfer between the ice and steam to find the final temperature.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the heat transfer equations, questioning the signs used in their calculations. They explore the relationship between heat gained by the ice and heat lost by the steam, with some participants attempting to clarify the correct formulation of the heat flow equation.

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There is an ongoing examination of the heat transfer equations, with participants providing guidance on the correct signs for heat quantities. Multiple interpretations of the heat flow equation are being explored, and participants are actively questioning their understanding of the problem setup.

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Participants note that the final temperature (Tf) is expected to fall between the freezing point and boiling point of water, which influences their calculations and assumptions about heat flow.

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An insulated bucket contains 150 g of ice at 0°C. If 26.0g of steam is injected at 100°C into the bucket, what is the final equilibrium temperature of the system in °C?

this i what I've done so far
q(ice)=150g*333.5J/g=50025J
q(steam)=26g*2257J/g=58682J

q(ice) + q(ice-water) = -[q(steam) + q(steam-water)]

50025J + 4.18J/g*150g(Tf-273)=-[58682J + 4.18J/g*26g(Tf-373)]
20025J + 327J*Tf - 171171J = -58682J -108J*Tf + 40538J
-121146J + 627J*Tf = -18145 - 108J*Tf
735J*Tf=103002
Tf=140degree K

this is obviously wrong...what am i missing?
 
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You are adding an extra minus sign. Think of it this way:
Heat gained by ice/water = Heat lost by steam/water
 
Doc Al said:
You are adding an extra minus sign. Think of it this way:
Heat gained by ice/water = Heat lost by steam/water

so you are saying
q(ice) + q(ice-water) = q(steam) + q(steam-water)

50025J + 4.18J/g*150g(Tf-273)=58682J + 4.18J/g*26g(Tf-373)
121146J + 627J*Tf = 58682J + 108J*Tf - 40538J
519J*Tf=139290J
Tf=268degree K

which is still wrong...
did i understand you correctly?
 
jennypear said:
50025J + 4.18J/g*150g(Tf-273)=58682J + 4.18J/g*26g(Tf-373)
Note that since Tf will be between 273 and 373 K, Tf-373 is negative.

I always think in terms of heat lost versus heat gained; these quantities are always positive.
 
jennypear said:
q(ice) + q(ice-water) = -[q(steam) + q(steam-water)]

50025J + 4.18J/g*150g(Tf-273)=-[58682J + 4.18J/g*26g(Tf-373)]
If you prefer to use this form of the heat flow equation, which is perfectly OK, then be sure to use the correct signs for all quantities. Note that q(steam) should be negative since heat is flowing out of the steam.
 
hmm tricky:) thanks so much will look at it that way in the future
 

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