Please help A question about partial differentiation

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The discussion revolves around a question regarding partial differentiation, specifically in the context of polar coordinates. Participants explore the differentiation of functions and the representation of the gradient operator in polar coordinates, as well as the Laplacian in these coordinates.

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  • Another participant provides a detailed explanation of the gradient operator in polar coordinates, including the transformation of unit vectors and the notation used.
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  • Another participant notes the customary notation differences between polar coordinates in mathematics and physics.

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hi all!
I know how to solve the part (i) but not part (ii).
Could anyone help?
 

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Note that in vector notation, we have, from (i):
[tex]\nabla{u}=\frac{\partial{u}}{\partial{x}}\vec{i}+\frac{\partial{u}}{\partial{y}}\vec{j}=\frac{\partial{u}}{\partial{r}}\vec{i}_{r}+\frac{\partial{u}}{r\partial\theta}\vec{i}_{\theta}[/tex]
when the polar unit vectors are:
[tex]\vec{i}_{r}=\cos\theta\vec{i}+\sin\theta\vec{j},\vec{i}_{\theta}=\frac{\partial}{\partial\theta}\vec{i}_{r}=-\sin\theta\vec{i}+\cos\theta\vec{j}[/tex]
Thus, the gradient operator has the form, in polar coordinates:
[tex]\nabla=\vec{i}_{r}\frac{\partial}{\partial{r}}+\vec{i}_{\theta}\frac{\partial}{r\partial\theta}[/tex]
In agreement thus far?
 
Leave vectors alone and simply differentiate

[tex]\frac{\partial u}{\partial x}=\cos\theta\frac{\partial u}{\partial r}-\frac{\sin\theta}{r}\frac{\partial u}{\partial \theta}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{\partial^{2} u}{\partial x^{2}}=\frac{\partial}{\partial x}\left(\frac{\partial u}{\partial x}\right)[/tex]

[tex]=\cos\theta\frac{\partial}{\partial r}\left(\cos\theta\frac{\partial u}{\partial r}-\frac{\sin\theta}{r}\frac{\partial u}{\partial\theta}\right)-\frac{\sin\theta}{r}\frac{\partial}{\partial\theta}\left(\cos\theta\frac{\partial u}{\partial r}-\frac{\sin\theta}{r}\frac{\partial u}{\partial\theta}\right)[/tex]

and the same way for "y"...

Daniel.
 
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Oh! Thank you very much for your reply!
But I just manage to get the correct answer!
Thank you anayway! ^^
 
So that's the laplacian in polar plane coordinates.BTW,it's customarily to denote these coordinates by [itex]\left(\rho,\theta\right)[/itex] and physicists prefer [itex]\left(\rho,\phi\right)[/itex].

Daniel.
 

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