Calculating the Diffraction Speed of a Cadillac

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The discussion revolves around calculating the diffraction speed of a Cadillac as it approaches a freeway underpass, framed as a thought experiment involving concepts of wavelength and diffraction in physics. Participants explore the assumptions needed for the calculation, particularly regarding the wavelength of the car in relation to the width of the underpass.

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Main Points Raised

  • Burg expresses confusion about what wavelength to assume for the Cadillac in order to calculate its speed for diffraction, referencing the equation λ = h/(m*v).
  • One participant humorously notes that previous attempts to diffract Cadillacs have resulted in debris and few breakthroughs, suggesting the thought experiment may be impractical.
  • Another participant suggests that for significant diffraction effects, the wavelength should be roughly equal to the width of the aperture, though they propose a smaller ratio might be more accurate.
  • Burg recalls an experiment involving electrons and interference, questioning whether the principles would apply differently to a Cadillac, and mentions a calculated wavelength on the order of 10^-30 meters.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the appropriate wavelength to assume for the Cadillac, with differing opinions on the relationship between wavelength and aperture width. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the practical implications of these calculations.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made about the wavelength and its relation to the physical dimensions of the Cadillac and the underpass, as well as the applicability of quantum mechanical principles to macroscopic objects.

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I'm slightlly confused on what to "assume" about this problem here:

A Cadillac with a mass of 2000 kg approaches a freeway underpass that is 10 m across. At what speed must the car be moving in order for it to have a wavelength such that it might diffract after passing through this "single slit"? Copmare to normal freeway speeds of ~30 m/s.


What I am not sure about is what should i assume its wavelength should be? Or how i find about what it should be. Since I am using l=h/m*v (where l is lambda/wavelength, h is planks, m is mass, and v is velocity) i solve for v, but to do that i must assume a wavelength. Anyone know what I am talking about?

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Burg
 
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People have tried to experimentally diffract Cadillacs through various types of underpasses previously. All have resulted in a great amount of debris and very few breakthoughs in physics. Even doing as a thought experiment is very likely to hurt your brain. Unless you know of a new model of Cadillac...
 
Actually, with a velocity in the range that you're supposed to come up with in a problem like this one, it would be awfully hard to do any damage to your Cadillac unless you have a really old one that's about to fall apart on its own anyway! :smile:

Burg, if you scour your textbook really closely, you'll probably find a statement somewhere to the effect that in order to get significant diffraction effects, the wavelength of the wave should be roughly equal to the width of the aperture. This is kind of a hokey statement (I'd personally put it at 0.1 times the width of the aperture, or even smaller), but it's a common assumption for crude back-of-the-envelope type calculations involving diffraction in general (not just quantum-mechanical diffraction).

When you see the answer, and compare it to typical automobile speeds, I think you'll agree that a few powers of ten one way or the other isn't going to make a significant difference in practice!
 
jtbell said:
the wavelength of the wave should be roughly equal to the width of the aperture.

This is what i thought i was supposed to do. From the experiment where they shot electorn through the gold sheet and it undergoes interferance. I thought it might be diffrent since that was the slit separation was the one that was close to the wavelength.

I came out with something like 10^-30 ish, can't remeber now since i already tunred it in. Slightlly strange to think about, but they did it with buckyballs! Not quite a cadillac...

-Burg
 

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