Ignition Temp: Gasoline vs. Ethanol?

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The discussion centers around the ignition temperatures of gasoline and ethanol, exploring whether gasoline has a higher ignition temperature than ethanol and the implications of ignition temperature on energy production during combustion. The conversation touches on theoretical aspects, comparisons of energy content, and references to external resources for further information.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether gasoline has a higher ignition temperature than ethanol, seeking clarification on the relationship between ignition temperature and energy production.
  • Another participant suggests that the ignition temperature of ethanol is approximately 30 degrees higher than that of gasoline and notes that gasoline has a higher energy content (42-44 MJ/kg compared to ethanol's 26.68 MJ/kg).
  • A different participant proposes that there may not be a general correlation between maximum adiabatic flame temperature and the heat power released, suggesting the use of tables for reference.
  • Several participants share links to external resources for fuel properties and combustion data, indicating that gasoline has more C-C and C-H bonds, which may affect energy output.
  • There are mentions of consulting combustion experts for further insights, indicating a potential gap in knowledge among participants.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the ignition temperatures of gasoline and ethanol, with no consensus reached on the relationship between ignition temperature and energy production. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact values and implications.

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Participants reference external resources for fuel properties and combustion data, indicating that the discussion may depend on specific definitions and assumptions about combustion characteristics.

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Does gasoline have a higher ignition temperature then ethanol? (all other things being equal like pressure) Also does a higher ignition temperature mean that it will produce more energy upon combustion? Thanks in advance.
 
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I think that the ignition temperature of ethanol is roughly 30 degrees higher than gasoline

But I do know that if one looks at the energy content in Nett MJ/kg on sees than ethanol has a value of 26.68, whereas gasoline has a value of 42 - 44. So gasoline has a higher energy content.

Regards,

Ben
 
quasi426 said:
Does gasoline have a higher ignition temperature then ethanol? (all other things being equal like pressure) Also does a higher ignition temperature mean that it will produce more energy upon combustion? Thanks in advance.

To be sincere I don't know. Maybe you could find in a table the maximum adiabatic flame temperature of each substance. Also I think there is none general correlation between maximum adiabatic flame temperature and heat power released.

Another possibility is to ask to F.A. Williams, the combustion expert of your University.You know, in some class, hand up and ask, and then you tell me what he says to you. :biggrin: Do you know him?
 
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Clausius2 said:
Another possibility is to ask to F.A. Williams, the combustion expert of your University.You know, in some class, hand up and ask, and then you tell me what he says to you. :biggrin: Do you know him?

I don't believe I know him. I am in the bioengineering dept. (undergrad). What department is he in?
 
quasi426 said:
I don't believe I know him. I am in the bioengineering dept. (undergrad). What department is he in?

He's in MAE and he is the director of the Center for Combustion Research.

At least, don't you know Prof. Lasheras?, the MAE chairman? He's an spanish aeronautical engineer.
 

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