Tension and height of flagpole

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The problem involves a uniform horizontal flagpole of length 5.00 m, hinged to a wall, with a weight of 195 N and a stuntwoman weighing 600 N hanging from its end. The discussion centers on determining the minimum height for a guy wire attached to the wall, ensuring the tension does not exceed 1070 N, and the effect of lowering this attachment point on the tension in the wire.

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  • Participants explore the balance of moments about the hinge point, questioning how to calculate the theoretical upward force at the end of the pole. There are discussions about the geometry of the setup and the implications of the tension's vertical component on torque.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, raising questions about the geometry and the forces involved. Some have suggested equations for moments and components of forces, while others are seeking clarification on the setup and how to approach part b of the problem.

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There is some ambiguity regarding the geometry of the pole's attachment to the wall, with participants questioning whether it is a horizontal pole with a hinge or embedded in the wall. This may affect the interpretation of the forces and moments involved.

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A uniform, horizontal flagpole of length 5.00 m and with a weight of 195 N
is hinged to a vertical wall at one end. A stuntwoman weighing 600 N hangs
from its other end. The flagpole is supported by a guy wire running from
its outer end to a point on the wall directly above the pole.

a) If the tension in this wire is not to exceed a force of 1070 N, what is
the minimum height above the pole at which it may be fastened to the wall?

b) If the flagpole remains horizontal, by how many Newtons would the
tension be increased if the wire were fastened a distance 0.520 m below
this point?

** The moments about the point of hinging of the downward weights (that of the weight of the pole, and that of the stunt woman) must be balanced off by the upward moments at the end of the pole.

Hence how do you calculate the theoretical perpendicular force exerted at the end of the pole to maintain equilibrum?

Now, this theoretical upward force is the vertical component of the tension in the guy wire.

Given that the tension may not exceed 1070, what is the minimum angle with the pole the wire can be?
I calculated the downward forces = 195 N + 600 N = 795 N
 
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MAPgirl23 said:
A uniform, horizontal flagpole of length 5.00 m and with a weight of 195 N
is hinged to a vertical wall at one end. A stuntwoman weighing 600 N hangs
from its other end. The flagpole is supported by a guy wire running from
its outer end to a point on the wall directly above the pole.

a) If the tension in this wire is not to exceed a force of 1070 N, what is
the minimum height above the pole at which it may be fastened to the wall?

b) If the flagpole remains horizontal, by how many Newtons would the
tension be increased if the wire were fastened a distance 0.520 m below
this point?

** The moments about the point of hinging of the downward weights (that of the weight of the pole, and that of the stunt woman) must be balanced off by the upward moments at the end of the pole.

Hence how do you calculate the theoretical perpendicular force exerted at the end of the pole to maintain equilibrum?

Now, this theoretical upward force is the vertical component of the tension in the guy wire.

Given that the tension may not exceed 1070, what is the minimum angle with the pole the wire can be?
I calculated the downward forces = 195 N + 600 N = 795 N

So... now let's see an equation for the moments, and one for the horizontal force components, and one for the vertical force components.
 
the point where the pole is attached to the wall as a hinge. The torque caused by the pole and the stuntwoman should be equal to the torque caused by the rope.
So, only the vertical component of the tension will cause torque.

therefore,
Torque_pole = 1070N x sin(theta) x 5m
--> 195N x 2.5m + 600N x 5m = 3442.5N -m
3442.5N -m = 1070N x sin(theta) x 5m
sin(theta) = 0.6435 and theta = 40.05

Since the length of the flagpole is one side of the triangle formed by the wall, rope and pole we know that:
cos(40.05) = d/5m
d = 3.827m
but that's not the minimum height. How do I solve this and part b?
 
Are you considering the reaction on the left of the pole?

I can't seem to understand the geometry, if this a horizontal pole embedded to the wall or has a hinge (a support) on the left?
 
ok, so if the minimum height above the pole at which it may be fastened to the wall is 4.30m finding it by solving tan(theta) = d/5
how do I find part b?
 
Use a sum of torques with the changes introduced in your FBD.
 
got it, thanks again
 

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