Which substance is more acidic

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The discussion revolves around comparing the acidity of different carboxylic acid derivatives of benzene, specifically focusing on benzoic acid and its methyl-substituted variants.

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  • Participants explore the effects of methyl groups on acidity, questioning how to determine which compound is more acidic. There is a discussion on the electron-donating effects of methyl groups and their impact on the stability of the conjugate base.

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Some participants have offered reasoning regarding the influence of methyl groups on acidity, suggesting that more methyl groups lead to decreased acidity. However, there is still a request for further clarification on comparing the acidity of the single methyl-substituted compound with benzoic acid.

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One participant mentions a time constraint related to a report due the following day, indicating a sense of urgency in seeking assistance.

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H3C-bezene-cooh

H3Cp-bezene-cooh
----H3Cm|
second one has 2 ch3 attaching ti benezene at para and meta

can u tell me how to know which one is more acidic ?thanx

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It's been a heck of a long time since I last did this (13 years), but IIRC, the methyl group is a weak electron donor. That means the dimethylphenylcarboxylate ion will be destabilised by the two methyl groups, leading to a shift to the left in the equilibrium :

[tex]HA \rightarrow H^+ + A^-[/tex]

where [itex]A^-[/itex] denotes the dimethylphenylcarboxylate ion.

This will of course, lead to a reduction in [itex][H^+][/tex], and a reduction in acidity of the dimethyl compound.<br /> <br /> The single methyl group would have the same effect, but less so, so it should be the more acidic of the two.[/itex]
 
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thanx, but how to compare the singlemuthyl one with
bezene-cooh, which is more acidic ? help me please tomorow is i post report , i don't know to do.
 
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Same reasoning that I posted. Every methyl group makes the compound a less strong acid.

So in terms of decreasing acidity (in order of increasing pH in solution),

benzoic acid > methylbenzoic acid > dimethylbenzoic acid > trimethylbenzoic acid...

and so on.
 

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