Understanding the Identities Theorem: Can You Solve this Problem?

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The discussion revolves around understanding the identities theorem in calculus, particularly in relation to the evaluation of integrals and derivatives. Participants are exploring a specific problem that involves calculating differences of derivatives and interpreting the results graphically.

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  • Participants discuss drawing curves and shading regions to visualize the problem. Some express uncertainty about the correctness of their answers, while others share their calculations and seek clarification on the underlying principles. Questions about theorems and definitions related to the identities are also raised.

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The conversation is active, with participants sharing their thoughts and calculations. Some have provided insights that may guide others in understanding the problem better. There is an acknowledgment of differing interpretations and a lack of explicit consensus on the correctness of the answers presented.

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Participants mention the need for prior knowledge to interpret the problem correctly. There is also a reference to the importance of visualizing the problem, which seems to aid in understanding the concepts involved.

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I need help on the following problem. (attached)

Thanks
 

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sitedesigner said:
I need help on the following problem. (attached)

Thanks

Draw a picture of some curve (i.e. make a guess about what the curve looks like), shade the regions given, then think about what they are asking -- perhaps the answer will become obvious...
 
hello there

well
f '(5)-f '(2) =11
f '(11)-f '(8) =27
f '(5)-f '(8)+f '(11)-f '(2)=f '(5)-f '(2)+f '(11)-f '(8) =11+27=38
I hope you do know what i have done, take care

steven
 
SteveRives said:
Draw a picture of some curve (i.e. make a guess about what the curve looks like), shade the regions given, then think about what they are asking -- perhaps the answer will become obvious...
I'm not sure if 38 is the correct answer though
 
steven187 said:
hello there
f '(5)-f '(8)+f '(11)-f '(2)=f '(5)-f '(2)+f '(11)-f '(8) =11+27=38
steven
can you explain how you got to that part? :cool:
 
hello there

sitedesigner said:
I'm not sure if 38 is the correct answer though

why arnt you sure, what are you having doubts about? explain your thoughts?

steven
 
even though i scanned it in there, it was a mere guess.
 
hello there

well I have basically given you the answer all you have to do now is interpret it, you must have some prior knowledge of knowing the basics of how to understand this question, by the way they were suppose to be capital F's

F(5)-F(2) =11
F(11)-F(8) =27
F(5)-F(8)+F(11)-F(2)=F(5)-F(2)+F(11)-F(8) =11+27=38

steven
 
can you state the theorem or definition that makes that true? I understand the format it's in, but not why it works. Even visualizing it doesn't make sense :(
 
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actually, i drew myself a picture, and now i understand it now :)
 
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guess a picture is worth a thousand words... here it is attached
 

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i really appreciate the quick response... that's what makes physicsforums a great place!
 
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you welcome

well we are happy for you to be part of this forum, by the way you havnt told us what your answer was?
 
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When i was doing that problem, I had originally put the answer as 38 because somewhere in the back of my mind i had recalled reading about adding and subtracting integrals.

I didnt understand what the answer was, but after i drew the picture, it became more clear :) The answer is 38.
 
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can you state the theorem or definition that makes that true? I understand the format it's in, but not why it works.
[tex]\int_a^b f(x) dx =\int_a^c f(x) dx +\int_c^b f(x) dx[/tex]
[tex]\int_a^b f(x) dx =-\int_b^a f(x) dx[/tex]
Do you know these identities?
These 2 make given problem almost formal.
 

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