What Is This Object on the Titan Rocket?

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The discussion revolves around identifying an object depicted in a photograph related to the Titan rocket. Participants explore various hypotheses about the object's nature, considering it from multiple perspectives, including its potential origins and functions. The conversation includes speculative reasoning and technical insights related to aerospace engineering.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest the object resembles natural forms, such as an eye, mushroom, or butterfly pattern.
  • Others propose it could be components from aircraft or rocket engines, including a nose cone or exhaust duct.
  • Several participants speculate it might be a light fixture or a chandelier.
  • There are claims that it could be related to a turbofan or a combustion chamber, with discussions about fuel feed nozzles and injector assemblies.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the specifics of rocket engine design, questioning the absence of certain atomizer types.
  • Technical details about hypergolic propellants and their combustion characteristics are introduced, with some participants seeking clarification on these concepts.
  • Speculation extends to historical mechanisms, with guesses about the object's age and function, including references to old machinery and water-powered devices.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the object's identity, with multiple competing views and interpretations remaining throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the object's function and the technical details of rocket engine components, which are not fully resolved.

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Individuals interested in aerospace engineering, historical machinery, or speculative discussions about unidentified objects may find this thread engaging.

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It looka natural, maybe an eye.
 
airplane propellar spinning fast? or maybe a mushroom of some kind

or maybe a pattern on a butterfly or moth
 
That's the nipple of a female model terminator.


Actually, I bet it's the nose cone of one flying machine or another.
 
At first, I thought it was a mushroom. Now I think it's a bullet hitting something.
 
To me, it looks like a very bad chandelier.
 
Colonoscope image of someone in ill health?
 
Danger said:
Colonoscope image of someone in ill health?
 
it looks like a shower head, or a sprinkler for flowers to me. Or a spray jet for his hot tub!
 
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recon said:
To me, it looks like a very bad chandelier.
It does look like a light fixture.
 
  • #11
It's got to be something from the Aircraft Museum, wot ?
 
  • #12
Gokul43201 said:
It's got to be something from the Aircraft Museum, wot ?


Yeah, front of a turbofan?
 
  • #13
Gokul43201 said:
It's got to be something from the Aircraft Museum, wot ?
We are on the right track.
 
  • #14
It looks like you're looking up an exhaust duct. That hole pattern is seriously looking like a combustor section though. Perhaps an afterburner flameholder of some kind?
 
  • #15
Fred,
You are just way good. You are so close that I am temped to revel. But you are off just a little bit so I am going to let it ride for a bit more.
 
  • #16
Haven't yet read the thread. The picture looks like a trash can or a manhole.
 
  • #17
Sorry Hurykl, you need to look up, not down! :smile:
 
  • #18
Integral said:
Sorry Hurykl, you need to look up, not down! :smile:


aaHA! An impromptu clue, perhaps?

Inside a VTOL nozzle?
 
  • #19
You guys are on the right track.

Lets let a few others look at it.
 
  • #20
Ok, Resolution time

http://home.comcast.net/~rossgr1/EAM/titanII_info.JPG
 
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  • #21
Why aren't you posting this stuff in the Brain Teasers forum?
 
  • #22
'Cause it's not what I consider a brain teaser?

Humm... Maybe it is?
 
  • #23
Aha, rocket engine exhaust nozzle? I almost had a stab at that after your "look up" clue, but thought it must still have been GT related.
 
  • #24
Yep, that is looking right into the business end of the Titan Rockect engine, so it is indeed a combustion chamber with fuel feed nozzles visible in the back.
 
  • #25
Which are the fuel feed nozzles? I'd have expected them to look like the kind of swirl atomisers you get in a GT engine, although I suppose the fuel is ready-mixed so this isn't as important? Don't know nearly enough about rockets...
 
  • #26
brewnog said:
I suppose the fuel is ready-mixed
It better not be! Those are hypergolic motors! :eek:
 
  • #27
Danger said:
It better not be! Those are hypergolic motors! :eek:

Ok, I've not even heard that word before. Good job I'm not an engineering graduate, or anything. Teach me, dammit!
 
  • #28
brewnog said:
Teach me, dammit!
Sorry. :biggrin:
Hypergols are binary propellants that burn spontaneously when they contact each other. No igniter system required. Nitric acid used to be the oxydizer of choice, and the other part can range from unsymmetrical dimethylhydrazine to analine. The Ariane rocket, for instance, uses monomethylhydrazine and nitrogen tetroxide for its final stage. They tend to be used where ignition is not negotiable.
 
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Danger said:
Sorry. :biggrin:
Hypergols are binary propellants that burn spontaneously when they contact each other. No igniter system required. Nitric acid used to be the oxydizer of choice, and the other part can range from unsymetrical dimethylhydrazine to analine. The Ariane rocket, for instance, uses monomethylhydrazine and nitrogen tetroxide for its final stage. They tend to be used where ignition is not negotiable.

Ooh, okay.

So, (with reference to Integral's picture), what's being squirted where? And how come I don't see any GT style atomisers? Is it because there's no issue of getting everything to fully combust at those temperatures?

Apologies for taking a GD thread off topic into Mech & Aero Eng![/size]
 
  • #30
brewnog said:
Which are the fuel feed nozzles? I'd have expected them to look like the kind of swirl atomisers you get in a GT engine, although I suppose the fuel is ready-mixed so this isn't as important? Don't know nearly enough about rockets...
I believe that the fuel nozzles are the dots in the center.

Here is a pic of the other side.

http://home.comcast.net/~integral50/EAM/rocket2.JPG
 
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