Why is F=mg equivalent to gravitational force at different altitudes?

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The discussion revolves around the equivalence of the formula F=mg to the gravitational force experienced by an object at different altitudes, specifically comparing the force at sea level to that at 40,000 feet. Participants explore the implications of gravitational acceleration changes with altitude and the conditions under which F=mg is applicable.

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  • One participant calculates the gravitational force on a 70-kg student at sea level and at 40,000 feet, noting a small difference in force.
  • Another participant suggests that F=mg is an approximation valid near the Earth's surface and proposes using the universal law of gravitation for more accuracy.
  • Some participants emphasize that gravitational acceleration (g) changes with distance from the Earth's center.
  • One participant points out that the acceleration of gravity is not a constant due to factors like Earth's shape and rotation, suggesting that variations in g can occur based on latitude and elevation.
  • Another participant defines g as the acceleration experienced at the Earth's surface, indicating a specific context for its use.

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Participants generally agree that gravitational acceleration varies with altitude, but there is disagreement regarding the implications of this variation on the use of F=mg. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the extent to which F=mg can be applied at different altitudes.

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Limitations include the assumptions made about Earth's shape, density, and rotation, which affect the accuracy of gravitational calculations. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical implications of these factors.

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I am trying to figure out why F=mg corresponds to question number two below.

First let's assume a object with mass 70kg and then calcutate the force of gravity in two different scenarios:

Determine the force of gravitational attraction between the Earth (m = 5.98 x 1024 kg) and a 70-kg physics student if the student is standing at sea level, a distance of 6.37 x 106 m from Earth's center.

Crunching the numbers yields 688.1 N

#2

Determine the force of gravitational attraction between the Earth (m = 5.98 x 1024 kg) and a 70-kg physics student if the student is in an airplane at 40000 feet above Earth's surface. This would place the student a distance of 6.38 x 106 m from Earth's center.

This yields: 686 Newtons at a distance of 40,000 feet.

Now use the 2nd law

F=mg (70kg)(9.8m/s^2) equals 686 N

Why is the 2nd Law calculation the same as the calculation at 40,000 feet?

I realize that this is a very small difference (less than 1%) between the two
numbers.

Thanks
 
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The 2nd law is the same in all inertial coordinate frames.
You can try using F=G*m*M/(r^2) (F=mg is approx. formula near the Earth's surface). Is there a noticable difference?
 
g changes with distance
 
yourdadonapogostick said:
g changes with distance

I know but what I am saying is that the force of gravity in #2 above (40,000) feet above the Earth is closer to f=mg than example one at sea level.

It would seem that the sea level calculation would be closer to f=mg.
 
The acceleration of gravity is not an absolute constant. It would be constant if the Earth's density was spherically symmetric and if the Earth were accurately a sphere and if there was not centrifugal component (earth not spinning). None of these 3 are true. In fact the variation in g is 1/2% from pole to equator at sea level. So though your 1/3% discrepancy can be accounted for by an elevation change, it can also be accounted for by a latitude change.
 
g is the acceleration experienced at the surface of the earth. That's how it's defined.
 

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