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The discussion revolves around troubleshooting an air compressor system where one of two identical compressors frequently blows fuses while the other operates without issue. Participants explore potential causes and solutions related to electrical and mechanical aspects of the compressors.

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  • One participant questions whether the fuses are for each phase of the motor and suggests checking for defects in the coil structure or mechanical issues that could increase internal resistance.
  • Another participant recommends monitoring the inrush current to determine if the fuse blowing occurs during startup or peak demand.
  • It is suggested to verify that the motor is wired correctly for the voltage it receives, as improper wiring could lead to issues.
  • A participant raises the possibility of a short in the motor's winding set grounding to the frame.
  • One contributor notes that time-delay fuses should mitigate start-up spikes and emphasizes measuring the amperage of each phase during operation.
  • Another participant asks if the problematic compressor still blows fuses when run alone, implying that the issue may relate to the interaction with the other compressor.
  • A later reply clarifies that the compressors do not operate simultaneously but cycle based on air pressure, highlighting confusion over the identical nature of the compressors despite differing performance.
  • One participant stresses the need to move beyond the assumption of "sameness" and suggests basic electrical troubleshooting as a starting point.

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Participants express various hypotheses and troubleshooting steps, but there is no consensus on the exact cause of the issue or the best approach to resolve it. Multiple competing views on potential problems and solutions remain present.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention the need for basic electrical troubleshooting and checking specific components, but there are unresolved assumptions about the system's wiring and operational conditions.

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Again, two identical Air Compressors, interlocked=working alternatively=one ON another one OFF=then again second one ON first one OFF, etc.

MOTORS SPECS;
power supply=600V each motor
phases=3 each motor
rpm=1725 each motor
amperage=24A each motor
HP=25 each motor
fuses=3 fuses=60 Amps each for each motor (time delay fuses)

Now; One of the compressors is blowing a fuse very often.
Another compressor never, never blows a fuse.

Question= what to do about this compressor that is burning fuse so often?

It is confusing that just one fuse on one compressor is burning although both compressors as i did say are interlocked, same purpose, same duties. Simply everything is the same. Thank you very much for your attempts.
 
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I've never had any exposure to 3-phase, so first I must ask if the 3-fuses-per-motor thing means that there's one fuse for each phase? Are they separate coil setups? In any event, the compressor that's blowing fuses obviously has a defect in it's coil structure, internal connective wiring, or perhaps bearings or something in the mechanical section that drastically increases its internal resistance. Try running resistance checks on the windings first. If they're normal, check out the compressor part itself for things like bad bearings, bend wrist-pins, obstructed valves, etc.. If you can't find anything wrong, replace the motor. If the new one blows fuses too, then the problem is elsewhere. If not, the original motor is bad.
Oops! I just remembered that you should check your input voltage as well. If there's a controller of some kind, it might be overloading one motor. (Not likely, but why overlook any possibility?)
 
I'll echo pretty much what Danger mentioned. I would monitor the inrush current to both motors. to see if it is a start up phenomena or if it is during peak demand of the compressors.
 
The first thing I would check is to make sure the motor is wired for the voltage it is receiving. I have worked on equipment that has one phase wired for a different voltage then what it was supposed to be wired for.
 
Averagesupernova said:
I have worked on equipment that has one phase wired for a different voltage then what it was supposed to be wired for.
Wow! That could cost somebody his next raise. Is that a motor manufacturing defect or something to do with the installation?
 
Sounds like you need to have the motor checked for a short. It's probably a winding set grounding to the frame.

Regards
 
Time-delay fuses tend to rule out start-up spikes, but measuring the amperage of each phase under operating condititions is the natural starting point.

Regarding their operation - they are manifolded together? Do they show the same performance under operating conditions (ie, the system pressure/flow are the same)?
 
Does the one compressor still blow fuses when it is run alone and not manifolded with the other compressor? If it runs okay stand-alone, I would suspect a problem with the manifolding or timing of the overlap.
 
compressors never work together; one at the time, they are cycling; one finishes and then when air pressure is lower, another one starts, and then again the same thing. I can see I don't express myself clearly enough, but what is confusing everything is the same but one is giving problems.
 
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You have to get over the "sameness" idea. Granted they are identical models etc...but that doesn't mean that one can not have a problem with it and the other not. You need to do basic electrical troubleshooting. Once you do that, look towards the compressor itself.
 

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