1 Parsec = 3.08568025 × 10^16 meters

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The discussion revolves around the definition of a parsec and the apparent discrepancies between two interpretations of its definition. Participants explore the mathematical relationships involved in defining a parsec in terms of parallax and astronomical units, focusing on the implications of these definitions in the context of geometry and trigonometry.

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  • One participant presents two definitions of a parsec and expresses confusion over their compatibility, noting discrepancies in calculations based on each definition.
  • The first definition relates to the angle formed by two luminous objects separated by one Astronomical Unit appearing one second of arc apart.
  • The second definition describes a parsec as the distance at which a star would show a parallax of one second of arc as the Earth moves half a revolution around the Sun.
  • Another participant suggests that the issue lies in the definition of parallax, indicating that the angle used in calculations should be half of the angle depicted in the diagrams.
  • A further contribution clarifies that the second drawing's triangle should be interpreted with a base of 2 AU, leading to a need for a different approach to calculating the distance based on the parallax angle.

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Participants express differing interpretations of the definitions of a parsec and the associated calculations, indicating that multiple competing views remain without a clear consensus on the resolution of the discrepancies.

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Participants highlight potential misunderstandings regarding the definitions and calculations of parallax, suggesting that the definitions may depend on specific interpretations of angles and distances involved in the geometry of the problem.

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A quick Google search reveals that 1 Parsec = 3.08568025 × 10^16 meters.
I have read two different rephrasings of the definition of a parsec:

1) The distance one would have to be from two luminous objects separated by one Astronomical Unit in order for them to appear one second of arc apart
2) Being a contraction of PARallax SECond, it is the distance of a star that would appear to have a parallax of one second of arc as the Earth completes half a revolution around the Sun

My problem is that these two definitions seem to be incompatible. Please note that I am not trying to disprove one, simply find out where the error in my math is (or perhaps my understanding of these two definitions). My ultra high-tech MS Paint diagrams, attached, illustrate my problem.
Figure 1 shows the first definition:
Length L represents the length of a parsec, and can be easily calculated as it is the perpendicular bisector of the given isosceles triangle. The angle of the right triangle created would be half of an arc second, the adjacent side L and the opposite side 0.5 AU. A quick trig calculation show L to have a length of 206264.8 AU. As one AU=149 598 000 000 metres, one parsec equals 3.085680248 x 10^16 metres, matching the above stated value.
Figure 2 shows the second definition:
Since the Earth's displacement over 6 months is 2 earth-sun distances, the base of this triangle is 2 Astronomical Units. 1" is the apparent parallax of the plotted star and by the Opposite Angle Theorem we see that theta must also equal 1". Now we have an isosceles triangle like above only while the angle remains the same, the base is twice the length. One need not go through to the steps again (though you may of course do so if you wish) to see that this will give a length for the parsec twice the stated value.

What's going on here?
 

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It's only an issue of the definition of parallax:

http://encyclopedia.laborlawtalk.com/Image:Stellarparallax2.png

It's half the angle in your diagram.
 
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Your second drawing shows a triangle with a base of 2 AU causing a parallax causing a 1" shift against the background stars. This base is 2 AU so you would need to drop a line through the center straight down to make two right triangles, each with a 1 AU distance.

As to:
2) Being a contraction of PARallax SECond, it is the distance of a star that would appear to have a parallax of one second of arc as the Earth completes half a revolution around the Sun
This is often stated but is not what they (should) mean. We use that measurement, calculate an angle (parallax) and then use 0.5 of that to make an accurate estimate of distance.

EDIT: Just saw ST's link above, and it clearly shows the angle used to be 1/2 of a six month (1/2 year) orbit.
 
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Thanks guys. That clarifies things. :smile:
 

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