Exploring Physics: Is the Rutherford Scattering Formula Necessary?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the necessity of memorizing the Rutherford scattering formula, with participants exploring its significance and the mathematical details involved in its application. The conversation includes aspects of theoretical understanding and mathematical reasoning related to scattering in physics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses curiosity about the necessity of memorizing the Rutherford scattering formula, indicating a non-specialist interest in physics.
  • Another participant advises against memorization, emphasizing the importance of understanding the dependence of the scattering cross-section on the angle, specifically the 1/(1-cos θ)^2 relationship.
  • A participant attempts to recall the formula, questioning the absence of the 1/(1-cos θ)^2 term, which leads to a clarification about the differential cross-section being a more useful form of the scattering equation.
  • Further clarification is provided regarding the differential cross-section, describing it as the number of scattering events per unit area on a unit sphere, with a mathematical expression for the area element in spherical coordinates.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the necessity of memorizing the formula, as opinions vary on its importance versus understanding its implications. The discussion includes both agreement on the significance of certain mathematical relationships and differing views on memorization.

Contextual Notes

There are references to specific mathematical forms and identities that may not be universally understood, indicating potential limitations in the discussion's accessibility to those less familiar with trigonometric identities and scattering theory.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to individuals exploring foundational concepts in physics, particularly those curious about scattering phenomena and the relevance of mathematical formulations in understanding physical principles.

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i'm interested in physics, but i don't major in it...
i look at physics in my free time, and i just came across the rutherford scattering formula and was wondering is it necessary to memorize it?
 
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Don't memorize it ! :eek:

The important thing to take away from the formula is the [itex]1/(1-cos \theta)^2[/itex] dependence of the scattering cross-section which is a signature of scattering from point-like objects.
 
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the rutherford scattering formula is
N(cita)=(NntZ^2*e^4)/{[(8pi*epsilon)^2]*(E^2)sin^4(cita/2)} right?
because i don't see 1/[1-cos(cita)]^2...
 
Hint: browse through a list of trig identities. :wink:
 
so sin^4(cita/2)=[1-cos^2(cita)]/2={1-[1+cos(2cita)]/2}/2?
 
Sorry, I didn't make this clear earlier. I was referring to the differential cross section. That's a more useful form of the scattering equation.
 
differential cross section? what's that?
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It's the number of scattering events that go through an elemental area on the surface of a unit sphere centered on the scattering center. In spherical co-ordinates, an area element on the unit sphere (or an element of solid angle) is given by [itex]d \Omega = sin \theta d \theta d \phi[/itex].

The differential cross-section is [itex]dN/d \Omega[/itex]
 
ok, thank you very much! :)
 

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