The dimensionality of an operator?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of operators in quantum mechanics, specifically focusing on their dimensionality, the derivative of operators, and the application of arbitrary functions to operators. Participants explore theoretical aspects and mathematical definitions related to these topics.

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  • Some participants question what is meant by the dimensionality of an operator, particularly in the context of units versus vector space dimensions.
  • One participant asserts that the operator K must have dimensions of inverse length for the units to be consistent.
  • Another participant offers an intuitive explanation of the derivative of an operator, suggesting it measures the rate of change of time-dependent eigenvalues.
  • A different perspective on the derivative is provided, relating it to the limit definition in a metric space context.
  • Participants discuss the application of arbitrary functions to operators, with some agreeing that Taylor expansion is a valid approach, while others mention more abstract methods for defining such functions.
  • One participant introduces the spectral decomposition technique for calculating functions of operators, referencing eigenvalue equations and spectral representations.
  • Concerns are raised about the need to extend the concept of units to apply to operators, with some arguing that dimensions can apply to entities beyond mere numbers.
  • Another participant emphasizes that maintaining consistent dimensions in equations implies that operators must also have dimensions.
  • A later reply notes that previous comments about bounded operators require restrictions to specific subspaces for accurate application.

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Participants express differing views on the dimensionality of operators and the applicability of units, indicating a lack of consensus. There are also multiple interpretations of how to define the derivative of an operator and the application of functions to operators, suggesting ongoing debate.

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Some discussions hinge on the definitions of dimensions and units, as well as the mathematical properties of operators, which may not be universally agreed upon. The conversation also touches on the limitations of applying certain techniques to bounded operators without appropriate context.

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I have some basic questions concerning operators. What is actually meant by the following:

1) The dimensionality of an operator? E.g., what does it mean to say that the operator K has the dimension of 1/length (an example from Sakurai's book)? Operators act on abstract mathematical states to produce other states - how can you ascribe a dimension to such a quantity?

2) The derivative of an operator? Like dA/dt, where A is an operator. Can anyone offer an intuitive explanation?

3) An arbitrary function applied to an operator? Like exp(A) where A is an operator. In this case we can write exp(A) = 1 + A + A^2/2 + A^3/3 + ... - is this how you define a function of an operator in the general case, by using the taylor expansion?
 
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1) The dimensionality of an operator? E.g., what does it mean to say that the operator K has the dimension of 1/length (an example from Sakurai's book)? Operators act on abstract mathematical states to produce other states - how can you ascribe a dimension to such a quantity?

When he says "dimension" there he's not talking about the dimension of a vector space, he's talking about units. K has to be an inverse length for the units to work out right.

2) The derivative of an operator? Like dA/dt, where A is an operator. Can anyone offer an intuitive explanation?

If an operator A is time-dependent, then it's eigenvalues are time-dependent. dA/dt is a measure of the rate of change of that time dependence.

3) An arbitrary function applied to an operator? Like exp(A) where A is an operator. In this case we can write exp(A) = 1 + A + A^2/2 + A^3/3 + ... - is this how you define a function of an operator in the general case, by using the taylor expansion?

Yes.
 
2) The derivative of an operator? Like dA/dt, where A is an operator. Can anyone offer an intuitive explanation?

It means exactly what it "should" mean: for example, I have an operator-valued function A whose domain is the reals, and whose range is operators, then we have:

[tex] \frac{d}{dx}A(x) = \lim_{h \rightarrow 0} \frac{A(x + h) - A(x)}{h}[/tex]

This definition makes sense because operators have norms, so the meaning of the limit is just like any other metric space. (such as R³)


3) An arbitrary function applied to an operator? Like exp(A) where A is an operator. In this case we can write exp(A) = 1 + A + A^2/2 + A^3/3 + ... - is this how you define a function of an operator in the general case, by using the taylor expansion?

For the sufficiently insane, there's also ridiculously abstract way to make sense of feeding an operator into certain complex valued functions. (And it even let's you work with things that aren't analytic... things that don't have power series expansions)
 
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3) An arbitrary function applied to an operator? Like exp(A) where A is an operator. In this case we can write exp(A) = 1 + A + A^2/2 + A^3/3 + ... - is this how you define a function of an operator in the general case, by using the taylor expansion?

A function [tex]f(\hat{A})[/tex] of an operator [tex]\hat{A}[/tex] can be calculated by:

[tex]f(\hat{A}) = \sum_{n} f(a_{n}) |n \rangle \langle n|[/tex]

where you have the eigenvalue equation:

[tex]\hat{A} |n \rangle = a_{n} |n \rangle[/tex]

So if you want to calculate [tex]exp(\hat{A})[/tex] you can do this by:

[tex]exp(\hat{A}) = \sum_{n} e^{a_{n}} |n \rangle \langle n|[/tex]

with
[tex]f(\hat{A}) = exp(\hat{A})[/tex] and
[tex]f(a_{n}) = e^{a_{n}}[/tex]

I think this is called the spectral decomposition (or spectral theorem?). Someone else maybe can tell you what this 'technique' is called.

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I just found in the Preskill lecture notes:
http://www.theory.caltech.edu/people/preskill/ph229/notes/book.ps
See page 38 and 39:

A self-adjoint operator in a Hilbert space H has a spectral representation - it's eigenstates form a complete orthonormal basis in H. We can express a self-adjoint operator [tex]\hat{A}[/tex] as

[tex]\hat{A} = \sum_{n} a_{n} \hat{P_{n}}[/tex]

with [tex]\hat{P_{n}} = |n \rangle \langle n|[/tex]
 
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Thanks, guys. I understand 2) and 3) now. There's still the issue about 1), though...
Tom Mattson said:
When he says "dimension" there he's not talking about the dimension of a vector space, he's talking about units. K has to be an inverse length for the units to work out right.
I know he means units, but as far as I know only numbers can have units. We need to extend the concept of units if we are to apply to operators, aren't we? Or am I missing something?
 
If we maintain that the dimensions of both sides of any equation in physics be the same then it naturally follows that operators have dimensions.

And in any case, you learned in Physics I that objects other than numbers can have dimension. Take a vector such as velocity, for example.
 
Bleh, what I had posted is about bounded operators... to apply what I said exactly as I said it, you have to either restrict attention to an appropriate subspace of the state space or to an appropriate subspace of the operators.
 

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