Solving Newton's Methods: F=ma, v=at+v_0, T=ma

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The discussion revolves around applying Newton's laws of motion to two different scenarios: a freight train accelerating from rest and an elevator moving upward with tension and gravitational forces acting on it. Participants are exploring the relationships between force, mass, and acceleration.

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  • Participants are attempting to use the formulas F=ma and T=ma to solve for acceleration and tension, respectively. There are questions about unit conversions, particularly converting km/h to m/s, and the correct application of force equations in the context of multiple forces acting on the elevator.

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Some participants are providing guidance on unit conversions and the importance of considering the direction of forces. There is an ongoing exploration of the correct setup for the tension problem, with participants questioning their understanding of the equations and the signs associated with forces.

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Participants are discussing the need for a reference system to define positive and negative directions for forces, and there is confusion regarding the application of the equations in the context of multiple forces acting on the elevator.

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I have 2 questions:

1) A freight train has a mass of [tex]1.1\times 10^7 kg[/tex]. If the locomotive can exert a constant pull of [tex]7.8\times 10^5 N[/tex], how long does it take to increase the speed of the train from rest to [tex]90 km/h[/tex]?

I figured I could just use the formula [tex]F=ma[/tex] to get the acceleration then I plugged that into [tex]v=at+v_0[/tex] to get the time. I came up with the answer of 1267.61. I might have a problem with units because [tex]a[/tex] was [tex]m/s^2[/tex] and [tex]v[/tex] was in [tex]km/h[/tex]. If that's the case how do I go about converting [tex]m/s^2[/tex] to [tex]km/h[/tex] or vice versa?

2) An elevator of mass m moving upward has two forces acting on it: the upward force of tension in the cable and the downward force due to gravity. Let the elevator have a mass of 1200 kg and an upward acceleration of 2.1 [tex]m/s^2[/tex]. Find [tex]T[/tex].

With this one I just plugged it into the equation [tex]T=ma[/tex] but I don't know if this is the correct equation. I got an answer of 2520[tex]N[/tex].

If anyone could help me with this please do.
 
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convert your km/h in the question to m/s in this way
1km/hr = 1000m/3600secs

why did you equate T with ma? Is tension the only force causing this acceleration? Keep in mind that the DIRECTION of these forces. Assume one direction to be positive and one to be negative and write down the force equation for this. That is
ALL Net forces = Net Force = m x Net Acceleration
 
I don't know where I got that equation from. I'm still a little confused about the tension problem. I guess I don't really know how to go about solving it.
 
Effitol840 said:
I don't know where I got that equation from. I'm still a little confused about the tension problem. I guess I don't really know how to go about solving it.

Ok. Draw a box taht represents the elevator. Assume up to be positive and down to be negative. What force points up, and what force points down? Now add these forces. But use the proper sign convention as in what points up in positive and what pints down is negative. Now which way is the elevator accelratin? Is this acceleration (using the reference system) positive or negative. What is the force due to this acceleration? Now keep in mind that
Sum of all the forces (poiting up and down) = Net Force(this may be positive or negative, depending on which way the elevator is accelerating.
 
Ok so what I get out of that is that I'm trying to find T which is the tension on the elevator pointing up? And the force down is the gravitational force which is 9.8 [tex]m/s[/tex]. The elevator is accelerating up at 2.1[tex]m/s^2[/tex]. So now I need to find an equation to figure out [tex]T[/tex].
 
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Effitol840 said:
Ok so what I get out of that is that I'm trying to find T which is the tension on the elevator pointing up? And the force down is the gravitational force which is 9.8 [tex]m/s[/tex]. The elevator is accelerating up at 2.1[tex]m/s^2[/tex]. So that would be [tex]T+9.8=2.1t[/tex]?

What is the formula for force? Thus how do you find the force exerted by gravity? ANd the net force?

Also remember to make a REFERENCE SYSTEM. One should be positive and one be negative. Are Tensio nand gravity in the same direction? Correct the signs!
 
[tex]F=ma[/tex]. Force up is possitive 2.1[tex]m/s^2[/tex] and force down is negative 9.8[tex]m/s^2[/tex]. So does that mean total [tex]F=[/tex]negative 7.7[tex]m/s^2[/tex]?
 
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