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Icebreaker
Oct4-05, 02:47 PM
How would I show that a^1729 = a (mod 1729) for all n?
Without further hypotheses on a and n, you wouldn't. For example, 5^1729 = 9 (mod 11).
Any similar conjecture will also be false. That is to say, let k be some fixed number. Then "a^k = a (mod n) for all n" is false, since it would imply that there would not be exist a primitive root mod p for p > k - 1, p prime.
neurocomp2003
Oct4-05, 03:25 PM
attempt to show by successive squaring
Icebreaker
Oct4-05, 06:32 PM
Without further hypotheses on a and n, you wouldn't. For example, 5^1729 = 9 (mod 11).
Any similar conjecture will also be false. That is to say, let k be some fixed number. Then "a^k = a (mod n) for all n" is false, since it would imply that there would not be exist a primitive root mod p for p > k - 1, p prime.
The conjecture was that a^k=a. In your counterexample, that is, 5^1729=9, 5!=9.
The conjecture was that a^k=a. In your counterexample, that is, 5^1729=9, 5!=9.
Yes. What's your point?! 5 != 9 (mod 11) is precisely what makes it a counterexample to the conjecture, hence the conjecture isn't true.
neurocomp2003
Oct5-05, 03:14 AM
is it a conjecture that you are trying to show or are you asked to find a solution "a" to the question?
Icebreaker
Oct5-05, 10:48 AM
I must show for all a. The modolus is the same as the exponent. The modulus is not a prime, therefore Fermat's little theorem does not apply.
neurocomp2003
Oct5-05, 12:51 PM
ok i think you need toi restate your quesiton.
"How would I show that a^1729 = a (mod 1729) (for all n)?"
there is no n in this statement though i rememebr there being one.
I must show for all a. The modolus is the same as the exponent. The modulus is not a prime, therefore Fermat's little theorem does not apply.
I'll assume that what you actually want to prove is that a^1729 = a (mod 1729) for all a.
Since 1729 = 7*13*29, this is equivalent to showing that
a^1729 = a (mod 7),
a^1729 = a (mod 13), and
a^1729 = a (mod 19)
for all a. That should be easy.
Icebreaker
Oct5-05, 07:47 PM
Yes, because, say, a^12 = 1 (mod 13). Thanks for the help.
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