Killer flu virus built from scratch

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The discussion revolves around the reconstruction of the 1918 Spanish flu virus using DNA samples, with a focus on its genetic characteristics, implications for flu virus mutation, and concerns regarding biosecurity and research practices.

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  • Some participants express curiosity about the implications of reconstructing the Spanish flu virus, questioning whether its historical variability was merely random.
  • One participant notes that the CDC's decision not to share samples with other universities limits the transparency of ongoing research.
  • There is mention of the genetic similarity between the reconstructed virus and bird flu, with a participant suggesting that bird flu would require multiple mutations to reach the lethality of the Spanish flu.
  • A participant discusses findings from a recent paper indicating that the lethality of the Spanish flu is linked to two specific gene strands affecting lung cell biology, contrasting it with modern flu viruses.
  • Concerns are raised about the publication of the genetic sequences of the lethal strands, with one participant arguing that this could facilitate the creation of a biological weapon.
  • Another participant reflects on the evolutionary implications of the Spanish flu, suggesting it was an evolutionary loser due to its inability to produce a next generation after causing widespread mortality.

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Participants express a range of views, with some agreeing on the potential risks of genetic engineering in viruses, while others debate the implications of the research and the nature of flu virus mutations. No consensus is reached on the overall safety or ethical considerations of the research.

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Participants highlight limitations in the availability of research samples and the implications of genetic similarities between viruses, but do not resolve the broader ethical and safety concerns surrounding genetic engineering.

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See http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7279844/did/9598565/.

The virus that caused the deadly "Spanish" flu epidemic of 1918-1919 has been reconstructed using a sample of its DNA. The object is to study how flu viruses mutate and attack.
 
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Hunh.

Any interesting ideas about that, so far? I had always assumed it was a random fluke - some years are wimpy flu years, and others are much worse.

One of my mother's aunts died in that outbreak, as I am sure is true for many here.
 
Too bad the cdc is not giving the samples to other universities for study. It would be hard knowing the progress of their research.
 
pattylou said:
It appears to be genetically similar to bird flu. Not meant as a scare, but as an interesting piece of information. Bird flu would have to undergo several mutations to become as dangerous to humans as the Spanish Flu of 1918.
http://www.boston.com/yourlife/heal...scientists_re_create_1918_flu_pandemic_virus/


I have now looked at the paper in last week's Science. The super lethality is due to two gene strands that interfere with the cell biology in the lungs. This is different from the mechanism of modern flu viruses. So probably it won't come again.

BUT, I learn from an editorial in that same issue of Science that Nature has taken the, in my view, catastrophically stupid action of publishing the sequences of those two killer strands. The editorial makes all sorts of excuses of this, needs of scientific research, blah, blah, blah, but it doesn't require the whole virus to be rebuilt to make this into a terror weapon; modern molecular biology is more capable than that. Imagine the killer sequences attached to some modern, highly infectious, adenovirus.

At a broader level it looks like Spanish Flu was an evolutionary loser. It evolved, it infected 50 million people, it killed them all and there was no next generation. So it disappeared from history, modulo the stupid cleverness of the human species.
 
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More disturbing than computer viruses is having biological viruses genetically engineered for ultimate destructive capacity against humans in germ warfare.
 

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