Sister's Spider Encounter: A Canadian Experience

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The discussion centers around the identification of a spider that a participant's sister believes to be a black widow, particularly focusing on the characteristics of black widow spiders and their presence in Canada. The conversation includes aspects of spider behavior, habitat, and identification features.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the identification of the spider based on the color description, noting that the red marking is typically on the abdomen, not the top.
  • Another participant clarifies that black widows have a red hourglass marking on their ventral side and mentions that other spiders can have red markings as well.
  • It is noted that black widows can be found in Canada, particularly in secluded areas like Dinosaur Provincial Park in Alberta.
  • There is a suggestion that black widows can travel with shipments of fruits and vegetables, potentially expanding their range.
  • A participant describes the variability in coloration and markings of black widows, including juvenile characteristics and individual aggression levels.
  • Another participant shares personal experiences with black widows, stating they are not aggressive unless provoked and recounts an incident of killing one and dealing with its egg sac.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the identification features of black widow spiders, particularly the location of the hourglass marking. However, there is no consensus on the specific spider seen by the participant's sister, and multiple views on their behavior and presence in Canada remain.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the spider's identification based on color descriptions and the potential for misidentification with other species that may have similar markings.

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My sister, whose pyscho about spiders, is *****ing about seeing a black widow. We live in Canada. She says she knows that it's black widow because it was red on the top. But it's their belly, not their top, that's supposed to be red right? (Although maybe I misunderstood her...maybe she saw the it belly-side-up...or something)

Anyways I'd appreciate answers to this as soon as possible, especially if what she saw wasn't a black widow
 
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Black widows have an hourglass-shaped red marking on their abdomen (yes, on their ventral side...what you probably mean by "belly"). There are other spiders that have red markings that are not black widows.

Here's a site with information about black widow spiders, including their habitat ranges. http://members.tripod.com/~LouCaru/index-13.html
 
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They are in Canada, but only in 'secluded' sites, like the Desert that is in Alberta, in Dinosaur Provincial Park.
 
They can also travel anywhere with shipments of fruit and veggies.
 
"Five recognized species" north of the U.S.-Mexican border --- all five can be found in SE Texas, plus possible additional species. Color ranges from "milk chocolate" thru black to a gun-metal blue-black --- the hour glass may be totally absent in some individuals, but not often. Juvenile imagoes often exhibit "racing stripes" on the dorsal surface of the abdomen in the form of red and/or white comic book lightning bolts; these are paired laterally and disappear at the rate of one or two pairs per molt (occasionally still visible on two yr. olds --- sparse food reducing the rate of maturation), but usually not present once the abdomen exceeds 6mm diameter.
The level of aggression varies among individuals within species --- anything from the "timid retreat" to the full charge with raised front legs (usually an egg sac in the vicinity).
Don't bother it, and it won't bother you --- keeps the bugs down.
 
We get black widows every year, sometimes in the house even. They no longer freak me out. They are not aggressive towards people without provocation.

I killed one two days ago - huge one - And I'm glad I saw your post because I forgot to finish off the egg sac and must go do that now.

Edit: There. That's taken care of. And I forgot to second Moon bear's comment - the hourgalss is distinct and on the ventral (belly) side. The spiders are very shiny (not fuzzy) and make tangled webs and often hang upside down (thus allowing the "belly" and hourglass to face up.)
 
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