Solving 2nd Order ODE: yy``=2y`^2

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The discussion revolves around solving a second-order ordinary differential equation (ODE) of the form yy'' = 2(y')². Participants express uncertainty about how to approach the problem, particularly noting the absence of an explicit independent variable.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the potential use of a substitution method, suggesting that letting p(y) = y' could lead to a first-order equation. Questions arise about the reasoning behind this approach and the implications of not cancelling terms in the equation.

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Some participants have provided insights into the method of reduction of order and the transformation of the original equation into a first-order form. There is an acknowledgment of the solution where y could be constant, but no consensus has been reached on the overall approach to solving the ODE.

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Participants note the challenge posed by the lack of an explicit independent variable in the equation, which influences their reasoning and approach to finding a solution.

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yy``=2y`^2

my problem:
i don't have a clue how to get a hand on this one! any suggestions?
 
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[tex]yy'' = 2\left( {y'} \right)^2[/tex]. The independent variable doesn't seem to be there. So perhaps [tex]p\left( y \right) = y' \Rightarrow y'' = p\frac{{dp}}{{dy}}[/tex] so that [tex]yp\frac{{dp}}{{dy}} = 2p^2[/tex]. It would also be a good idea to not 'cancel' a p from both sides.
 
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may i ask:
how'd you think of that?
 
That's a fairly standard "reduction of order" method.

If y"= f(y, y') so that there is no x explicitely in the equation, then
Letting u= y' gives, by the chain rule, y"= u'= (du/dy)(dy/dx)= u(du/dy) resulting in the first order equation u(du/dy)= f(y,u) with y as the independent variable and u as the dependent variable.
 
Benny said:
[tex]yy'' = 2\left( {y'} \right)^2[/tex]. The independent variable doesn't seem to be there. So perhaps [tex]p\left( y \right) = y' \Rightarrow y'' = p\frac{{dp}}{{dy}}[/tex] so that [tex]yp\frac{{dp}}{{dy}} = 2p^2[/tex]. It would also be a good idea to not 'cancel' a p from both sides.

You can divide by p if p is not zero. If p=0 then that means y=constant. Note that this solution satisfies the ODE.
 
thank you!
 

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