GR: A First Course Q: What is "That Region" on Page 226?

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The discussion revolves around a specific passage from the book "A First Course in GR," focusing on the interpretation of the terms "THAT REGION" and "WHICH" as they relate to the slow-motion assumption in general relativity. Participants are examining the implications of these terms within the context of the source region and its characteristics.

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  • Some participants question what "THAT REGION" refers to, with one suggesting it is the source region while also seeking clarification on what "WHICH" refers to.
  • Another participant agrees that "WHICH" refers to the velocity and "THAT REGION" is the source region, but expresses confusion about comparing velocity to a region's length.
  • A participant presents a mathematical example involving a simple harmonic oscillator to explore the concept of "typical" velocity and its relation to the length of the region.
  • There is a discussion about the significance of specific factors in the calculations related to the slow-motion assumption, with one participant suggesting that these factors may not be crucial for the estimates being discussed.

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Participants generally agree on the interpretation of "WHICH" and "THAT REGION," but there remains uncertainty regarding the comparison of velocity to a region's length and the importance of specific factors in the calculations. The discussion does not reach a consensus on these points.

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Participants express uncertainty about the definitions of terms like "typical" and the implications of the slow-motion assumption, indicating that further clarification may be needed regarding the assumptions made in the original text.

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Here is a question that requires you to have a copy of the book (A First Course in GR) to answer it.

On page 226, near the bottom of the page is this sentence:

The second assumption is called the slow-motion assumption, since it implies that the typical velocity inside the source region, WHICH is [itex]\Omega[/itex] times the size of THAT REGION, should be much less than 1.

Emphasis mine. Can someone tell me what THAT REGION is? If you tell me that THAT REGION is the source region, then I will ask what WHICH refers to.
 
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jimmysnyder said:
Here is a question that requires you to have a copy of the book (A First Course in GR) to answer it.
On page 226, near the bottom of the page is this sentence:
The second assumption is called the slow-motion assumption, since it implies that the typical velocity inside the source region, WHICH is [itex]\Omega[/itex] times the size of THAT REGION, should be much less than 1.
Emphasis mine. Can someone tell me what THAT REGION is? If you tell me that THAT REGION is the source region, then I will ask what WHICH refers to.

Don't have the book, but the way I read it, "WHICH" refers to the velocity, and THAT REGION is "the source region".

... since it implies that the typical velocity inside the source region, (said velocity) being omega times the size of the source region, should be much less than 1.
 
pervect said:
"WHICH" refers to the velocity, and THAT REGION is "the source region".
You are right. I can be so blind at times. In this case, I was concentrating on the phrase "WHICH is [itex]\Omega[/itex] times the size of THAT REGION", and thinking that he was comparing one region to another. Now I just have to figure out why he can compare a velocity to (the length of?) a region.
 
jimmysnyder said:
Now I just have to figure out why he can compare a velocity to (the length of?) a region.

I'm not sure what "typical" means, but here's a the RMS speed for a toy example.

Consider a 1-dimensional simple harmonic oscillator that moves in a region of length L = 2A.

x(t) = A sin(Omega t)

v(t)^2 = (A Omega cos(Omega t))^2

The average of cos^2 is 1/2, so

<v(t)^2> = 1/2 A^2 Omega^2

RMS v = sqrt(<v^2>) = A Omega/sqrt(2) = (L Omega)/(2 sqrt(2))

I'm not sure that the factor of 2*sqrt(2) is important in the type of estimate that Schutz does.

Regards,
George
 
George Jones said:
I'm not sure that the factor of 2*sqrt(2) is important in the type of estimate that Schutz does.
Not important. He was just giving a justification for the term "slow motion assumption". If he cared about the factor, he could absorb it into the w in slow. I just had time to make a quick response to pervect's post before I ran off to work this morning, but I knew that when I got back home I would have to carry out the calculation that you did for me in your post. Thanks.
 

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