What Is the Nature of Vacuum and Empty Space?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the nature of vacuum and empty space, exploring concepts related to energy density, the existence of pure vacuum, and the implications of virtual particles. Participants express varying perspectives on the definitions and characteristics of vacuum in both theoretical and practical contexts.

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  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that there is no complete and satisfactory answer to the question of what constitutes empty space.
  • One participant suggests that vacuum has a specific energy density, proposing a hierarchy where vacuum represents the minimum energy density necessary for space, with denser forms of energy and matter existing above it.
  • Another participant questions whether pure vacuum exists, arguing that even in the emptiest regions of space, such as intergalactic space, there are still atoms and quantum fluctuations present.
  • There is a suggestion that if pure vacuum existed at absolute zero, particles would have no motion or energy, leading to a unique perspective on the passage of time.
  • Some participants assert that vacuums are filled with virtual particles, raising the question of whether it is possible to exclude these particles from a vacuum location.
  • A later reply humorously references a famous physicist, implying that excluding virtual particles may not be feasible.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views on the nature of vacuum, with no consensus reached regarding its definition or characteristics. The discussion remains unresolved with various hypotheses and conjectures presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in their understanding, particularly regarding the definitions of vacuum and the implications of quantum fluctuations. There are unresolved questions about the existence of pure vacuum and the behavior of particles in such conditions.

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Hi everybody,
I am new to this site. And for this first time I want to ask your thoughts about "space - vacuum". Does anybody have any interest in this area. I mean, the question "what is empty space?" is always there and as far as I know not a complete and satisfactory answer has arosen for this subject.
 
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There isn't one yet. That's what all the study into string, superstring, membrane, pizza, etc. theories is about. (Okay, I made up that last one.)
 
Given that vacuum has a given energy density, or so I've heard, one might conjecture that vacuum is the minimum density of energy necessary to have space, magnetic & eletric & gravitational fields being composed of denser energy, matter being even denser, and zero energy being no space at all.
Perhaps one day we may make an engine that travels a given distance by using the energy in the vacuum thus eliminating space. :smile:
 
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but...okay, are we talking about vacuum as in what's around galaxies etc, or pure vacuum?

as far as i can tell from knowledge and guessings pure vacuum does not exist. Space vacuum temperature is about 7degrees kelvin...but if pure vacuum existed it would be absolute zero...meaning particles would have a motion equal to zero and their energy would equal zero. this means...space would still be there, but not the way we'd think.

maybe since particles do NOTHING the process of time passing will no longuer affect them, in a way slowing time for anything reaching this condition of no movement, no reaction, no energy on nothing. Maybe. i don't know.
 
Primarily, this depends upon what you consider 'vacuum'. Intergalactic space is probably as close as you can get to the real thing, but even then you'll run into an atom now and again. And even where there is absolutely no matter present, you still have quantum fluctuations so that there are virtual particles occupying the space.
 
As far as I know, vacuums are constantly brimming with virtual particles
 
Is it possible to exclude virtual particles from a vacuum location?
 
I don't think so. Uncle Werner would object.
 

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