Projectile + Conservation of energy

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The problem involves a projectile motion scenario where a shell is fired from a gun, reaches its peak, and then explodes into two fragments. The task is to calculate the range of one of the fragments after the explosion, considering the conservation of momentum and projectile motion principles.

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  • Participants discuss the application of conservation of momentum to find the velocity of the second fragment after the explosion. There is also a focus on calculating the time to reach maximum height and the subsequent range of the fragment.

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Some participants have provided feedback on calculations, noting a potential misunderstanding in the application of multiplication versus division in the range formula. There is recognition of the need to clarify the question's wording and its implications on the expected answer.

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Participants mention that the question may be misleading, as it refers to the range from the initial firing position rather than just the range of the second fragment after the explosion.

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A 28-kg shell is fired from a gun with a muzzle velocity 125 m/s at 35° above the horizontal. At the top of the trajectory, the shell explodes into two fragments of equal mass. Fragment 1, whose speed immediately after the explosion is zero, falls vertically. Calculate the range of the fragment 2, assuming level terrain.

I have no idea how i keep getting the wrong answer. Here's what i did
At the top of the trajectory the horizontal velocity is the same which is
cos(35)(125).

By using conservation of momentum i can find the velocity of fragment 2

MVix = MVfx
(28)(cos(35)(125)) = (14)(0) + (14)(Vf2x)
So i just find Vf2 which is 204.788011 m/s

Well to calculate range i need to know the max height, but we also need the time it reaches max height. So to find time that reaches max height:

Vfy = Voy + ayt
0 = sin(35)(125) + (-9.81)t
t = 7.3085s

Max Height:
dy = Voyt + 0.5ayt
dy = (sin(35)(125))x(7.3085) + 0.5(-9.81)(7.3085)
dy = 262m

We now know the max height, horizontal velocity of fragment 2, isn't this like the simple projectile motion question where:

(Horizontal velocity of fragment 2) / (time it takes for the object to fall 262m) = the range of fragment 2

then you add that up to the range it will take the projectile to get to max height.

Isn't that the answer?

If it's not clear enough please tell me so i can rephrase it or something.
 
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Thanks for posting your working. It helps a lot.

Everything you have done, except one part, is correct and quite clear.

You had,

(Horizontal velocity of fragment 2) / (time it takes for the object to fall 262m) = the range of fragment 2

That should be a multiply sign, not a division sign, giving

(Horizontal velocity of fragment 2) x (time it takes for the object to fall 262m) = the range of fragment 2

There's just a semantic problem, perhaps.
The Fragment2 doesn't actually exist until until the explosion a the top of the flight. So, its range may simply be the horizontal distance traveled in the time it takes to fall to the ground.
 
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Just calulating the range of Fragment 2, i still got the wrong answer. (by the way it's an electronic questionaire that tells you if you get the answer right or wrong if you submit the answer).

And i checked all the numbers many many times.

I don't know if this is allowed but could somebody do the question and can we compare answers?

My answer was roughly 42m
and the Range of the Fragement is roughly 28m
 
I made a mistake in my first post. I'm afraid I mis-read your text. I really should wear my specs.

You had,

(Horizontal velocity of fragment 2) / (time it takes for the object to fall 262m) = the range of fragment 2

That should be a multiply sign, not a division sign, giving

(Horizontal velocity of fragment 2) x (time it takes for the object to fall 262m) = the range of fragment 2

The time to fall the 262 m is the same as the time to get up there. i,e t = 7.3085 s.
Horizontal velocity is Vx = 204.788011 m/s
Range = (Horizontal velocity) x (The time to fall the 262 m) = 204.788011 m/s x 7.3085 s. = 1496.693 m

Range = 1496.693 m
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OH my goodness! Thank you so much!
and by the way the wording of the question is SOOO bad, because when i enter 1496.693 it says I'm wrong, because the question is referring to the range from the initial firing position. While the question is misleading to us thinking that it's just the range of Fragment 2, but i got the right answer. Thanks a lot
 

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