How Many Electrons Are Needed to Levitate a Person?

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving electrostatics, specifically the calculation of the number of electrons needed to levitate a person using electric forces. The scenario includes a metal plate and a person modeled as point charges, with a focus on the forces acting between them.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply Coulomb's law to determine the number of electrons required for levitation, but expresses confusion regarding the direction of charge and the nature of their own charge. Other participants question the application of Coulomb's law and the assumptions made about the charge of the person.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring the implications of charge conservation and the correct application of Coulomb's law. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to consider both charges in the calculations, and there is ongoing clarification about the nature of the charge on the person and the metal plate.

Contextual Notes

There is uncertainty regarding the charge of the person and how it relates to the electrons being pumped from the plate. The discussion also reflects a lack of consensus on the correct approach to the problem, with participants still working through the implications of their assumptions.

dekoi
A small metal plate is bolted to the ceiling, and an "electron pump" is connected between the metal plate and yourself (mass of 60 kg). The pump starts pumping electrons from the metal plate to you.
How many electrons must be moved from the metal plate to you in order for you to hang suspended in the air 2.0 m below the ceiling? HINT: Assume that both you and the plate can be modeled as point charges.
My diagram is as such:
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- - -

:smile:
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The electrons move downward, toward me. However, I am confused as to where the charge is directed. Is it directed toward me or toward the metal plate? (Since charges move toward the negative charge.

So we have:
[tex]m = 60 kg[/tex]
[tex]r = 2.0 m[/tex]
[tex]q_e = 1.6 * 10^{-19} C[/tex]
[tex]k = 9 * 10^{9} \frac{Nm^2}{C^2}[/tex]
[tex]n = number of electrons[/tex]

The net force must be zero since I am suspended in the air at this point and am not moving, therefore:
[tex]F_{net}=F_q - F_g[/tex]
[tex]F_q = F_g[/tex]
[tex]\frac{kqn}{r^2} = mg[/tex]
[tex]n = \frac{mgr^2}{kq} = 1.6 * 10^{12} electrons[/tex]
However, this is the wrong answer.
The answer in the textbook is [tex]3.2 * 10^{15}[/tex]. What is wrong with my method?

Is there an electric force coming from myself also? If so, what is it?ALSO: If you happen to know anything about sound interference/light waves, please post in the other two threads started by my boyfriend, as he is in desperate need right now of answers but no one wants to reply to his threads for some reason. His posts are under the name "dekoi" also. Thank you.
 
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dekoi said:
The net force must be zero since I am suspended in the air at this point and am not moving, therefore:
[tex]F_{net}=F_q - F_g[/tex]
[tex]F_q = F_g[/tex]
[tex]\frac{kqn}{r^2} = mg[/tex]
Your error is in applying Coulomb's law, which is:
[tex]F = \frac{k q_1 q_2}{r^2}[/tex]
(You only included one of the charges.)
 
I know that's where I am confused.
I don't know what the charge on myself is. At first I thought it was 0, since a human does not have a charge.
But then I thought that if the electrons are holding me up, then I must have a positive charge.
A positive charge equal to the electron charge?

That's what I don't know.
 
Nevermind

I got it.

My error was when I made the positive charge equal to the electron charge, I forgot to square the number of electrons, since it applies to both charges.

And the positive charge HAS to be equal to the electron charge or else I would not be in equilibrium. Right?
 
dekoi said:
My error was when I made the positive charge equal to the electron charge, I forgot to square the number of electrons, since it applies to both charges.
Right.
And the positive charge HAS to be equal to the electron charge or else I would not be in equilibrium. Right?
The reason the positive charge must equal the negative charge is due to the conservation of charge. For every electron moved, you gain -e of charge, but the plate (which loses the electron) gets +e of charge.
 

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