Limits at a real number, using epsilon and delta

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The discussion revolves around the concept of limits in calculus, specifically using the epsilon-delta definition to evaluate the limit of the function \( (x+1)^3 \) as \( x \) approaches 0. Participants are exploring how to determine the appropriate delta in relation to epsilon for this limit problem.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to understand how to select delta based on the epsilon condition and expresses confusion about finding a second delta choice. Some participants suggest expressing delta as a function of epsilon and manipulating the limit expression to establish a relationship between them.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering hints and guidance on how to approach the relationship between delta and epsilon. There is a recognition of the need to control certain expressions before proceeding with calculations, and multiple interpretations of how to bound functions are being explored.

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There is an assumption that delta should be less than or equal to 1, which is being discussed as a necessary condition for bounding the function involved in the limit. The lack of concrete examples in the original poster's resources is noted as a potential barrier to understanding.

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OK I probably have some dumb questions here but it might be partially due to the lack of examples at my disposal and minimal explanation in my text.
[tex]\lim_{x\to{0}}(x+1)^{3} = 1[/tex]

[tex]\mid f(x) - L \mid < \epsilon[/tex]
[tex]\mid(x+1)^{3} - 1\mid < \epsilon[/tex]

now I know that delta is as follows:
[tex]0 < \mid x - a\mid < \delta[/tex]
[tex]0 < \mid x - 0 \mid < \delta[/tex]
as far as i know that i need to pick delta = min{1, ??}. I know that you pick 1 for convention but from my example i' am little stumped on how to get the other delta choice. If anyone knows of some other links to examples of these types of problems please send them along.
 
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Usually you try to find your delta as a function of your epsilon. In this case I'd try to get [itex]\vert (x+1)^3 -1 \vert[/itex] into a form where it was [itex]\vert x-0 \vert[/itex] multiplied by something, then solve for [itex]\vert x-0 \vert[/itex] in terms of [itex]\epsilon[/itex]
Then you've got a relationship between [itex]\delta[/itex] and [itex]\epsilon[/itex]
 
The basic plan is to factor [tex]|f(x)-L|[/tex] into a bounded part and a part that you can control easily by picking an appropriate [tex]\delta[/tex]. That is get [tex]|f(x)-L|=|x-a||g(x)|[/tex]. You know this will be bounded by [tex]\delta B[/tex], where B is a bound for g(x).

To find this B it's usually necessary to have restricted the values of x first by assuming an upper bound of delta. If your assume [tex]\delta\leq 1[/tex] then you know x is on the interval [tex](a-1,a+1)[/tex], so you can bound g(x) according to this. 1 won't always work, you need to make sure that g(x) is bounded on this restricted interval.

You can then find delta in terms of epsilon and this bound B.

Take a look at http://www.math.toronto.edu/~joel/137/handouts/limits.pdf for some more examples.
 
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ok good hint i think so far:
[tex]\mid(x+1)^{3} - 1\mid < \epsilon[/tex] multiplied out then extracting the factor x:
[tex]\mid x \mid \mid x^{2} + 3x + 1 \mid < \epsilon[/tex]
[tex]\mid x \mid < \frac {\epsilon}{\mid x^{2} + 3x + 1 \mid}[/tex]
now this is in terms of what delta is greater than. At this point I am assuming i use the L =1 for the x obtaining :
[tex]\mid x \mid < \frac {\epsilon}{5}[/tex] thus choosing

[tex]\delta = \min {1, \frac{\epsilon}{5} }[/tex]
 
Not quite. You need to control [itex]\mid x^{2} + 3x + 1 \mid}[/itex] before you divide [itex]\epsilon[/itex] by it.

This is where the assumption that [itex]\delta <= 1[/itex] comes in.

Set [itex]\vert x-a \vert < 1[/itex] and then use that to define a range for x. Use that to define a range for [itex]\mid x^{2} + 3x + 1 \mid}[/itex], then use the maximum value from that range for x.
 

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