Derive the force from different spring configurations

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The discussion revolves around deriving the force from various spring configurations, specifically focusing on two springs in series with different spring constants, as well as exploring combinations of springs in series and parallel. Participants seek a general understanding of the mechanics involved in these configurations.

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  • One participant requests a website that can derive the force for different spring configurations, indicating a desire for a comprehensive understanding beyond basic texts.
  • Another participant expresses interest in a detailed explanation of two springs in series with different spring constants.
  • A participant outlines the relationships between forces and displacements for two springs in series, leading to the conclusion that the total spring constant can be expressed as 1/K_t = 1/k_1 + 1/k_2.
  • Another participant discusses the force on springs in series, providing a general formula for the total spring constant as ktotal = 1/(sum(1/kn)), and offers an example calculation with specific spring constants.
  • There is a mention of the displacement of springs being equal in parallel configurations, suggesting a different approach for those cases.

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Participants present various approaches and formulas for calculating forces in spring configurations, but there is no consensus on a single method or formula, as different perspectives and examples are shared without resolution.

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Some participants' explanations rely on assumptions about the neglect of spring mass and the uniformity of forces across springs in series. The discussion does not resolve the complexities involved in mixed configurations of springs.

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This discussion may be useful for students or enthusiasts looking to deepen their understanding of spring mechanics, particularly in the context of physics and engineering applications involving multiple spring configurations.

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Does anyone know a website that will derive the force from different spring configurations, i.e. two springs in series with different spring constants. I would just like to be able to understand and work with any combination of springs: two in series, connected to 3 in parallel connected to one in series...etc. I want to be able to understand from the general case. Halliday and Resnik does not go into detail at all, and I didn't have any luck googling. Thanks. -Brent
 
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I'd be satisfied with a decent explanation of two springs in series with different spring constants.
 
For 2 springs in series you have a common force, each spring has a force of mg acting (neglecting the mass of the springs). So:

[tex]- x_1 k_1= mg[/tex]
and
[tex]- x_2 K_2 = mg[/tex]

For the pair of springs you can write:
[tex]-x_T K_T = mg[/tex]


But we must have:
[tex]x_T = x_1 +x_2[/tex]

For the total we now can write:
[tex]-(x_1 + x_2) K_T =mg[/tex]

Observe that from our first relationships we have :

[tex]-x_n = \frac {mg} {k_n}[/tex]

n= 1,2

so:
(now I can eliminate the pesky negative sign)
[tex](\frac {mg} {k_1} + \frac {mg} {k_2})K_T = mg[/tex]

Finally we get :

[tex]\frac 1 {K_t} = \frac 1 { k_1} + \frac 1 {k_2}[/tex]

The key to the parallel case is that the displacement of the springs are equal. I'll let you do that one.
 
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The force on a spring equals the spring constant times the change in length.

(1) dF=ktotal dxtotal

and for a series of springs, dF is the same for each, so

(2) dF = k1 dx1 + k2 dx2 + k3 dx3 etc...
or dF = sum (kn dxn)

and the total distance x is
(3) dxtotal = sum (dF/kn)

Now substitute (3) into (1)

dF = ktotal dxtotal = ktotal sum(dF/kn)

Divide by dF

1 = ktotal sum (1/kn)

Put ktotal on the opposite side

ktotal = 1/ (sum (1/kn))

(sorry for the lousey presentation here.)

So the total spring constant for a bunch of springs in series is:

ktotal = 1 / ( sum (1/kn) )

Where
ktotal = total or equivalent spring constant of the springs in series
kn = one of the springs from 1 to n

Example:

For 3 springs with k's
1. 10 (lb/in)
2. 24 (lb/in)
3. 40 (lb/in)

The equivalent spring constant is

k = 1/ (1/10 + 1/24 + 1/40 )

k = 1/ (.1 + .0416667 + .025)

k = 6 (lb/in)

If you use the same basic logic, you should also be able to determine a more generic formula for springs in series and parallel.

Edit: I see Integral beat me to it! lol
 

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