C is only a component of light speed?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the nature of light as an electromagnetic wave and the implications of its sinusoidal motion on the speed of photons. Participants explore the relationship between the wave's oscillation and the propagation of light, questioning common representations in educational materials.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that if light moves sinusoidally, it could imply that the speed of photons might be faster if the wave is more stretched out.
  • Another participant clarifies that it is the electric field oscillating, not the photons themselves, which do not move up and down in space.
  • A later reply reflects on the educational shortcomings in high school physics regarding the representation of light's motion, noting that the y-dimension in sinusoidal graphs represents electric field intensity rather than distance.
  • There is a correction regarding terminology, with one participant indicating that "amplitude" is the correct term rather than "intensity."

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the clarification that photons do not oscillate in space, but there is some disagreement regarding the implications of wave representation and terminology used in physics education.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about wave behavior and the definitions of terms like amplitude and intensity, which may affect the clarity of the arguments presented.

Quadratic
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I'm just thinking that since light is an electromagnetic wave, it must move sinusoidally. So, wouldn't it just be going forward at the speed of "c", while the wave itself would be going up and down as well? And if that's the case, wouldn't the actual speed of the photons be much faster if the wave was more stretched out? I'll try to draw what I mean:
Code:
          c -->
  ___              ___
 /    \           /     \    
/      \         /       \    
        \       /         \    
         \___/           \
I may be completely wrong on this, but if so, why?
 
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Quadratic said:
I'm just thinking that since light is an electromagnetic wave, it must move sinusoidally. So, wouldn't it just be going forward at the speed of "c", while the wave itself would be going up and down as well? And if that's the case, wouldn't the actual speed of the photons be much faster if the wave was more stretched out? I'll try to draw what I mean:
Code:
c -->
___              ___
/    \           /     \    
/      \         /       \    
\       /         \    
\___/           \
I may be completely wrong on this, but if so, why?

You probably do not realize that what is "oscillating" is not photons, but rather the electric field that is being carried by each of these photons. The photons themselves do not wiggle up and down in space.

Zz.
 
ZapperZ said:
You probably do not realize that what is "oscillating" is not photons, but rather the electric field that is being carried by each of these photons. The photons themselves do not wiggle up and down in space.

Zz.
Ahh. Well then... I guess I learned something. Thanks.
 
It took me until I entered College physics for the first time to actually figure that out. High School physics books are really bad at showing you that, they show you this little picture of light traveling sinusoidally, never actually tell you that the y dimension in that graph is not a distance, but the intensity of the electric (or magnetic) field as the photon travels in the x direction.

~Lyuokdea
 
I think you mean amplitude, not intensity.
 

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