Does int_0^1 2x^3 ln(x)dx equal -1/8 or not

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the integral \(\int_{0}^{1} {2x^3 \ln (x)} dx\) and whether it equals -1/8. Participants are exploring the implications of the integral's limits and the behavior of the logarithmic function at those limits.

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  • Participants discuss various methods of integration, including integration by parts and limits. Some express uncertainty about the behavior of the integral at the lower limit, questioning whether it leads to an infinite result. Others share their calculations and results, with some participants affirming the correctness of the -1/8 result.

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The conversation includes multiple interpretations of the integral's evaluation, with some participants providing calculations that support the -1/8 result. However, there is no explicit consensus, as questions about the assumptions and methods used remain open for further exploration.

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Participants note the potential grading implications based on the methods taught in class. There is also a mention of the calculator used by one participant, which may influence their confidence in the answer provided.

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I had an exam today and this was one of the problems:

[tex]\int_{0}^{1} {2x^3 ln (x)} dx[/tex]

My answer was -1/8. Is this correct or not?
 
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LinkMage said:
I had an exam today and this was one of the problems:
[tex]\int_{0}^{1} {2x^3 ln (x)} dx[/tex]
My answer was -1/8. Is this correct or not?
I got the integral to be...
[tex][(2x^{4}(lnx-1)-3x^{4}/2)/4][/tex]
ln 0 is infinite, thus the integral beteween 1 and 0 is infinite?!...
 
Here is what I did (if I remember correctly):

[tex]\int {2x^3ln(x)} dx[/tex]
[tex]u = ln (x)[/tex] [tex]v' = 2x^3dx[/tex]
[tex]u' = \frac {1} {x}[/tex] [tex]v = \frac {1} {2} x^4[/tex]

[tex]\int {2x^3ln(x)} dx = {\frac {1} {2} x^4} ln (x) - \int {{\frac {1} {x}}{\frac {1} {2} x^4}} dx = {\frac {1} {2} x^4} ln (x) - {\frac {1} {8} x^4} = x^4(\frac {1} {2} ln (x) - \frac {1} {8})[/tex]
 
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My calculator got -1/8, and he is smart :smile: And your work looks correct too :smile:
 
And then:

[tex]\lim_{\substack{s\rightarrow 0^+}} ${\displaystyle x^4(\frac {1} {2} ln (x) - \frac {1} {8})|_{s}^{1}}$ = \lim_{\substack{s\rightarrow 0^+}} {[1^4(\frac {1} {2} ln (1) - \frac {1} {8})] - {[s^4(\frac {1} {2} ln (s) - \frac {1} {8})] = -\frac {1} {8} - 0 = -\frac {1} {8}[/tex]
 
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No need for all that complicated work

You have x = 1, which means 1((1/2)ln(1) - 1/8) = -1/8
You have x= 0, which means 0(something) = 0

so the answer is -1/8
 
Well, that's how they taught it. I'm sure I would be taken marks off if I didn't do it like that.

BTW, what calculator do you have? I want one like that. :P
 
Well, I don't know how your teacher grades, so you probably did the right thing by putting it in there. The Calculator is a TI-89.
 
LinkMage said:
Well, that's how they taught it. I'm sure I would be taken marks off if I didn't do it like that.
BTW, what calculator do you have? I want one like that. :P
And they'd be perfectly correct to take marks off if you said:
"You have x= 0, which means 0(something) = 0"

0(something) is not always 0!
 

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