Where to start I need to multiply and divide by somthing anyone c it?

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The discussion revolves around a problem related to the chain rule and composition of functions. Participants are attempting to understand how to manipulate a given expression involving functions and their differences.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss multiplying and dividing expressions to simplify the problem. Some question the clarity of the problem's requirements, while others explore the relationship between the functions involved. There is also mention of the mean value theorem as a potential approach.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and questioning each other's reasoning. Some have offered suggestions on how to approach the problem, while others express confusion about the proof's intent and requirements. There is no explicit consensus on the best method to proceed.

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Participants note a lack of clarity regarding the professor's expectations and the specific proof being sought. There is also uncertainty about whether the problem is related to the mean value theorem or the chain rule.

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Hello everyone, I'm really lost on this problem, am i proving like the chain rule or composition of functions? Here is the problem:
http://img499.imageshack.us/img499/3791/lastscan6ya.jpg
or here:
http://show.imagehosting.us/show/921262/0/nouser_921/T0_-1_921262.jpg

THe professor told me to multiply and dvide by the right thing which didn't help much. I started to multiply
(h(p)-h(a))/(p-a) through and it just got really ugly, I don't see how this is going to work at all! Any tips on how I can get this started? :bugeye:
 
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Am I missing something? You are asked to show that
[tex]\frac{f(p)-f(a)}{p-a}= \frac{f(p)-f(a)}{h(p)-h(a)}\frac{h(p)-h(a)}{p-a}[/tex]
Isn't that obvious? You multiply and divide the left hand side by h(p)- h(a)!

Or are you missing the fact that f(p)-f(a)= g(h(p))- g(h(a)) by definition of f?
 
wait you are right...what the heck, i didn't even look at the left hand side, i figured I should try and make the right hand side equal to the left but that is so easy to prove the left is equal to the right by doing what you said. How is this going to prove anything? it seems so easy to just do that, is that it?
 
can someone tell me what I'm trying to prove? is it the chain rule? this will help me find out where I'm suppose to go with this.
 
It kinda looks like some kind of application of the mean value theorem to me.

Why not use the mean value theorem:

(f(p) - f(a))/(p-a) = f`(some value c between p and a)

for it to work, you only have to take the derivative of g(h(c)).
 
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Will that show what he is asking? I think he wants me to keep it in the forum of the given information of the problem, but I like your idea.
 
mr_coffee said:
Will that show what he is asking? I think he wants me to keep it in the forum of the given information of the problem, but I like your idea.

I can't answer "Will that show what he is asking?" since I have no idea who "he" is! It looks to me as if you are doing part of the proof of the mean value theorem.
 
THanks for the responce, all he wants is what hte problem wants, is to just show that one side is equal to the other, it seems like you already told me how to do that. It just seems so simplistic.
 
Thanks for the help everyone, Hall was right on the proof. It also wasn't proving the mean value, it was proving the chain rule if anyone cares.
 

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