What Are Stratified Manifolds and Their Role in Theoretical Physics?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of stratified manifolds and their implications in theoretical physics. Participants explore definitions, relationships to other mathematical structures, and potential applications in understanding spacetime and dynamics.

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  • Some participants describe stratified manifolds as differentiable 2-manifolds with singularities that are also differentiable manifolds themselves.
  • There is a suggestion that stratified spaces may relate to foliated spaces, which are expressed as unions of disjoint hypersurfaces representing different observers' views of simultaneity in spacetime.
  • A participant references a quote from Julian Barbour regarding the relationship between stratified manifolds and insights into the structure of relativity and gauge theory.
  • Another participant mentions the Fulton-MacPherson stratification of configuration space as a complex way to codify differential structure.
  • Julian Barbour notes that stratified manifolds are models of his notion of Platonia and raises questions about their effects on classical trajectories and quantum wave functions.

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Participants express varying interpretations of stratified manifolds, with no consensus on a single definition or application. Some connections to related concepts are proposed, but the discussion remains unresolved regarding the precise meaning and implications of stratified manifolds.

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There are limitations in the definitions provided, and the discussion reflects uncertainty about the terminology and its application in theoretical physics. Some participants reference external sources that may not provide comprehensive explanations.

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hi, i encountered this term in julian barbour webpage and i will like it if someone can tell me more about them?
 
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Is a differentiable 2-manifold with singularities that are also differentiable manifolds themselves

Perhaps there's some relationship with the objects known as stratified vector bundles? Sorry, I'm not an expert
 
loop quantum gravity said:
hi, i encountered this term in julian barbour webpage and i will like it if someone can tell me more about them?

I couldn't find this term on barbour's site or by googling. But knowing what he works on, by a "stratified" space he may have meant what is more commonly referred to as a "foliated" space, which roughly speaking is a space that has been expressed as a union of disjoint hypersurfaces, very much like a salami as a union of slices. In the context of the physics of spacetime, these hypersurfaces represent surfaces of simulteneity, with different observer's seeing the universe as being sliced up - foliated - in different ways. If this turns out not to be what he meant by "stratified", never mind. :smile:
 
jeff said:
I couldn't find this term on barbour's site or by googling.

http://www.qgravity.org/discussion/jb/

quote:"Second, the approach based on a 3D continuum and factoring out symmetries (which leads to consideration of stratified manifolds) really does seem to me to lead to a deep insight into the structure of relativity and gauge theory. "

I like stratified spacetime.
 
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On other hand, the (Fulton-MacPherson) stratification of configuration space is a very abstruse way to codify differential structure.
 
jeff said:
I couldn't find this term on barbour's site or by googling. But knowing what he works on, by a "stratified" space he may have meant what is more commonly referred to as a "foliated" space, which roughly speaking is a space that has been expressed as a union of disjoint hypersurfaces, very much like a salami as a union of slices. In the context of the physics of spacetime, these hypersurfaces represent surfaces of simulteneity, with different observer's seeing the universe as being sliced up - foliated - in different ways. If this turns out not to be what he meant by "stratified", never mind. :smile:
well let's see if we are speaking about the same page.
i was referring to this website:
www.platonia.com in the link of ideas.

it was briefly described (i think this website is more promoting his book than provide explanations about his ideas).
 
http://www.platonia.com/ideas.html
I also plan to post on this website a paper explaining the rather brief remarks on p. 344 of my The End of Time about stratified manifolds, which are models of my central notion of Platonia (as explained in that book). Stratified manifolds occur widely in theoretical physics, and a question that has long interested me is the effect, if any, that the strata of these manifolds exert on classical dynamical trajectories and quantum wave functions defined on such manifolds.
 

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